Looks like hunter guns got beaten with an ugly stick

[d24e]

Yesterday when I was watching the item mod video I noticed how awesome and detailed the handguns looked. Even in shitty video quality that gun with the green canister at the front looks awesome!

In an earlier thread I posted some screenshots of the hunter video, one of them about a crappy looking gun. I thought maybe it was a work in progress. But after comparing to the handguns, they all look like crap to be honest. Low res textures, low polys, no moving parts, what's the deal here?

To show what I mean:

Cool gun with the green canister:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/coolgun1.jpg

Another nice handgun
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/coolgun2.jpg

This one is badass looking
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/coolgun3.jpg


Then from the hunter vid

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun1.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun2.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun3.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun4.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun5.jpg

Where did all the detail go? Don't tell me that's just bad lighting.

The first one I just can't stand it, it looks like it ran away from Quake 2.

Second weapon isn't really a gun, I love the chainsaw thing but how about making it all look more real? Some nice metal textures on the blade, add some rust and blood to it.

Look at how Doom 3 does the chainsaw, I loved playing with that one!

http://doom3.scorpions.cz/chainsaw2.jpg

Guns 3, 4 and 5 also have a great concept but need so much more detail to them look real.

[dyze]

personally, i prefer the hunter weapons any day over those other clownguns.
i like guns that looks like guns, not giant waterpistol toys (or portable lawn-mowers like the engi gun).
but hey, each to his own right :P

EDIT: such chainsaws in hg would be cool tho!

[d24e]

personally, i prefer the hunter weapons any day over those other clownguns.
i like guns that looks like guns, not giant waterpistol toys (or portable lawn-mowers like the engi gun).
but hey, each to his own right :P

EDIT: such chainsaws in hg would be cool tho!

The design is personal preference, but I'm talking about the textures/polycount/shaders mostly. They don't look anywhere near as detailed or finished as the handguns.

[Blaze]

dont see much of a difference

[Conrack]

For one, they don't want a super graphic intensive game, they want to be able to have more then just the people who can afford a super computer.

Also, gun with green canister, I love how it sounds.

Its called Plagueblaster "A bizarre invention that looks more like a mad scientist's portable lab than a weapon. The Plagueblaster has an abundance of ways it can be modified, further lending to its obviously experimental nature. The rapid fire bursts of highly toxic, explosive projectiles make it a deadly experiment indeed"

[buddyp450]

it is incredibly possible that being the game isn't out yet the graphics aren't finalized but thanks for pointing it out

[d24e]

dont see much of a difference

Compare the shinyness, reflection, metal texture on these. Notice how the one on the left looks more like real shiny metal while the other one looks painted matt grey.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/coolgun2.jpghttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun1.jpg



For one, they don't want a super graphic intensive game, they want to be able to have more then just the people who can afford a super computer.

Also, gun with green canister, I love how it sounds.

Then they should make them all look low detailed like the hunter guns. (note: this is not a suggestion, devs!)

[d24e]

it is incredibly possible that being the game isn't out yet the graphics aren't finalized but thanks for pointing it out

I hope you're right, but why put unfinished models in a HD trailer? That doesn't seem right.

[Conrack]

Then they should make them all look low detailed like the hunter guns. (note: this is not a suggestion, devs!)

To be honest, thats my opinion on why. :confused:

[Windburn]

The only one I have a problem with in that bunch of screens you posted is the saw-like weapon. The other ones look just fine- the comparison screenshots you've taken are misconstrued by muzzle flare lighting effects, so there's no way you can compare their reflectiveness.

However, I have no idea why they put the chainsaw in the HD vid, because that (hopefully) isn't quite done yet. The whole weapon is a muted grey colour; it looks boxy, the blade looks an unconvincingly dark grey too, and it looks more like a placeholder than any gun I've seen to date.

Quite confident it's still getting a makeover though :P

[d24e]

The only one I have a problem with in that bunch of screens you posted is the saw-like weapon. The other ones look just fine- the comparison screenshots you've taken are misconstrued by muzzle flare lighting effects, so there's no way you can compare their reflectiveness.

However, I have no idea why they put the chainsaw in the HD vid, because that (hopefully) isn't quite done yet. The whole weapon is a muted grey colour; it looks boxy, the blade looks an unconvincingly dark grey too, and it looks more like a placeholder than any gun I've seen to date.

Quite confident it's still getting a makeover though :P

The lighting really shows off the shiny/reflectiveness of the metal but even without that it looks cooler and more detailed.

It's more rounded off with little details like those black thinigies at the end of the barrels
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/coolgun1nolighting.jpg

This one with lighting effect on it, still not shiny metal looking. Just more yellowish matt colors
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/d24e/hgl%20guns/crapgun1lighting.jpg

[Kolossov]

This game is pre alpha!!!... most of the graphics are placeholder.

Items, spell effects, monsters, you name it.

Just be patient.

[dyze]

'most of the graphics' ..bit of an overstatement maybe :D

[Umbrix]

You know, a lot of people, Including me, go by a little saying. "You're always going to piss off some people no matter how hard you try not to."

You're one of those people who's getting pissed off. You really shouldn't be. I don't see what you're getting so mad about. These look like really great graphics, and i don't think most people are caring about what the gun textures and shades and blah blah look like. I know i sure as heck am not.

[d24e]

You know, a lot of people, Including me, go by a little saying. "You're always going to piss off some people no matter how hard you try not to."

You're one of those people who's getting pissed off. You really shouldn't be. I don't see what you're getting so mad about. These look like really great graphics, and i don't think most people are caring about what the gun textures and shades and blah blah look like. I know i sure as heck am not.

Pissed off? No, not that easily.

Pointing out negative aspects (as well as positive) doesn't make me feel any less excited about the game, just hoping someone will take notice and/or comment to rebute it. Which is what Kolossov did by saying it's probably just placeholder.

Forgive me for not dedicating every post to "omg this game is going to pwn". I prefer to look at things with a skeptical point of view.

[XaosII]

I agree with d24e for the most part, but im not really too worried about it.

Almost every video they have shown of 2 handed guns (with the exception of video 2 or 3 months ago) have had no shooting animation/recoil when fired. They werent anywhere near as animated as the single handed guns as they shake around from the recoil.

In the latest videos i noticed only one or two 2-h guns with recoil animations on them. My guess is that they just arent done. Theres probably going to be graphical tweaks to them.

EDIT: Heres a video (which you may or may not have seen) thats a compilation of FPS gun play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwByjh4Axnk

As its quite obvious none of the guns there are animated to give the player a sense of feedback. Its like the 2-h guns dont give any recoil. I'd be a bit disappointed if it was left like tat, so im sure they still have work to do on them.

[Jormund]

I think they look fine personally. It might be easier to make a comparison if the screenshots (of the old weapons) weren't so lossy, but as it stands the weapons you're trying to compare the new ones to are rather difficult to make out in those shots at all (there's no telling what kind of detail may or may not be on them). That said, I don't have a problem with the newer shots and think they look just grand.

[flameagle]

Might be due to lighting implementations being overhauled...?

[Conrack]

1 word to sum it all up.

Alpha.

[Eternalchaos]

Try.. "PRE" alpha. Not to mention screenshots always look a tad duller than the actual footage; plus those shots are pretty low res. I have the HD version of the Hutner vid and the guns look just fine to me. The textures just need a little polishing but that will come before launch.

[smashhell]

Comparing this game to a FPS game is a no no,

Remember ! FPS games only have 1 melee weapon and no more than 10 guns !!

Hellgate on the other hand, 100+, enough said. :rolleyes:

[RiF]

im not to worried about it graphics are usualyl one of the last things to be 100% finished on a game so theres tons of tiem to fix it....Also could of been recorded at different qualities?

[Sp3tSnAz]

Also with the old vids, they had all those guns done and polished way back then, however the hunter guns are all new and so many probably havent had all the graphics done with them, Im sure by release they will make them look just as good as the guns they made previously...

[Piracy]

I'm pretty sure since hellgate is such a scalable game, that some of the people taking screens/vids might not be maxing their graphics out.

[Darksaber]

Is it really that important if you can play in third person? I understand where FPS'ers are coming from with shiny guns etc, but I dont think the guns appearance is going to make much of a difference as far as gameplay is concerned.

I thought they looked OK, but you might find they were low-res models so as not to spoil the surprise too much

[d24e]

Try.. "PRE" alpha. Not to mention screenshots always look a tad duller than the actual footage; plus those shots are pretty low res. I have the HD version of the Hutner vid and the guns look just fine to me. The textures just need a little polishing but that will come before launch.

The hunter gun screenshots were taken from the HD marksman+engineer movie recently released.

The others are from the GFW video.

[SickSide]

hmm yeah theres is a huuuge difference to me and looks arent everything to me but some of the marksman guns look like giant hunks of metal with a few lights added to it

[thepaleponi]

I have to agree that the guns could use some touch ups from the graphics department, but HG:L is still coming into its own. I'll step back and make another judgment towards the end of say, open beta.

That said, it could be the guns are looking a bit bare and unpolished because the "visible" mod enhancements are meant to cover those areas. Just a thought 'cause I don't know much about these things, but I sure wouldn't paint the Mona Lisa on my wall just to cover it with a HG:L poster.

[demon hunter]

^^
nice analogy

[GoBBLeS]

Games are often made with graphical effects finished and added throughout the development cycle.
This sometimes means that some of the gfx, on things like guns, that were made earlier, than the when the effect was available, has to have the effect added later. Whereas on the newer gun it was there from the start.

So maybe the gun was an early model, and it is just missing the newer effects.

[Beololol]

My bullet still pierces your skull however gay it may look.

[Mavrik]

d24e you make me laugh. if all the guns had moving parts and high pollys it would lag down the game so much no one would play unless they were in a 5 block radius of the ping-0's HQ. if the GFX are insane that would mean better comp's, but more than anything better internet connection. i have a pretty decent comp(look at bottom for specs), but i only have telus dsl and i live in canada(B.C.). so im going to now compare HG:L to a game witch i love and i think i could do a comparison and not get flamed. think of Oblivion with an online server that would be free and have all the features of S.P., lol that would be insane and no one could play it because as soon as u see another player you would lagout most likely and towns full of people would just cause u to crash. so this is why i think they aren't putting high pollys and res on bigger items. also if ping-0 is as good as they say maybe it could handle extremely high GFX and there starting small and then working up to the big stuff lol ever heard of that expression. u dont race the Shelby cobra until u got wheels.(first post and srry if u dont like it or if this was resolved i just read D24e and then skimed the rest)



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[Keep]

Wheres connection between slow internet and high-res and polygons models? Do you guys really think you download graphix and animation?

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