Monsters from Diablo 2 that you wouldn't like to see back!

[Scorpion Raptide]

I was thinking about the different action packed previews we've seen thus far and I've seen some similarities between Diablo 2 and Hellgate monsters. We've seen shaman like monsters with minions that can be revived and lightning emitting monsters for instance in the last 'Fire' and 'Ice' previews.

I've been thinking about what type of monster Hellgate could do without. I came up with the most obvious of them all: the Stygian Doll! Owh how I hate those little buggers! I think I find those more annoying than lightning emitting creatures! Anyone else have monster types they'd rather NOT see?

[Scapes]

Think you named everyone's top choice.

Sand Leapers and anything with Lightning Enchanted come in a close second.
-- Scaper-X

[harbinger]

Lightning enchanted and kamikaze mobs.

If there is naked chicks in the UI, I might as well demand some in-game. Gimme stygian dolls :p but don't let them hurt me :p (senseless? Then mission accomplished)

[Bombastium]

Even when those Stygian Dolls etc. sound very cute, I absolutely hate every small, fast, agile, jumping and hard-hitting creature at D2 (and at any other game).

[MKJudas]

What about the Minotaur Demons from LoD?! Fast and hard hitting bastards ;)

[Bombastium]

What about the Minotaur Demons from LoD?! Fast and hard hitting bastards ;)

IIRC they were a bit bigger..don't remember so well, might be because I didn't have problems with them :b

But imps from LoD....brrr. It gives me creeps just to think that there are several different classes of imps at HG:L. Oh well, I hope that, thanks to the graphics, my satisfaction is guaranteed while I smash their small bodies with some five-ton hammer. Assuming that I can hit those small bastards.

[Scapes]

They could bring back Diablo 1's succubi demon class though.

Made the best sounds upon dying. And hey, would fulfill harb's request for in-game nudity. Like mini Andariels. Minus a few extra legs.
-- Scapes

[Brother Laz]

Mephisto. And cows. They ruined much of D2...

What I'd like to see return are D1-style succubi. The ones that ran away when approached. The D2 ones are just so weak and easy to kill in comparison.

[Scapes]

Yeah, they were actually a good fight.

Stung plenty when you got caught in their spammed projectile fire.
-- Scapes

[Excidius]

No more Burning Souls PLEASE! :D

[northrop]

No more Burning Souls PLEASE! :D

this would be my number one, too. the dolls were a walk in the park compared to Souls (not so much Act4 Souls, but the Act 5 souls on the way to the Baal were a bitch).

[Mountain Man]

Teleporting critters always annoyed me, especially when they'd magically regain a portion of their health.

I'm also not a big fan of million HP bosses who do big damage simply because fighting them just isn't that much fun. There has to be a way of making a challenging boss monster without simply jacking up its hit-points while still making it fun to fight. This is one area where I think Guild Wars actually did pretty good because bosses weren't suspiciously immune to your most powerful spells but you still had to fight smart to beat them.

[Sp3tSnAz]

Burning souls in Act 5 make Santa cry.... thats how evil they are!

[piratepwnsninja]

I would be happy to never ever see those worm/larva things again.

[alerith]

Anything that runs away when you kill one of them. Oh dear lord how those piss me off. Teleporting bitches, too.

[NeutralGround]

Anything that casts Iron Maiden. What's that? You want to play a melee class? Well too fucking bad!

[Scapes]

Personally, I liked the Hidden and their ilk from Diablo 1.

Teleporting Stygian Dolls or Sand Leapers, somewhat less so.
-- Scapes

[Sulfuric]

D2 Succubi: Blood Curse is fucking annoying to mages.

Abyss/Oblivion Knights: Iron Maiden is too deadly to Melee characters.

Burning Souls: North covered it.

Undead Stygian Dolls: Anything that deals more damage posthumously than it dealt alive is fucked up.

Leapers: Already been covered quite a bit.

Vultures: Really hate having to WAIT to kill something. Was quite annoying.

[Scapes]

Thought about the vultures too, Sulf.

However, that's why we have Grapplers. Hee.
-- Scapes

[Sulfuric]

I'm talking about the Vultures' "Immune to being attacked, but unable to attack" mode.

[northrop]

Thought about the vultures too, Sulf.

However, that's why we have Grapplers. Hee.
-- Scapes

aye! Grappler + Sword FTW!

this is almost a must for any melee character.

[Sulfuric]

aye! Grappler + Sword FTW!

this is almost a must for any melee character.

Or you could go Sword/Sword and use the Crosscutter skill.

[AngelicFaces]

Leapers and lurkers, they just keep jumping all over the place. Slowing the game down.

[northrop]

Or you could go Sword/Sword and use the Crosscutter skill.

what's the crosscutter skill, and how does it work on the flying monsters?

[Doffy]

many of the monsters that you guys are listing are what made D2 memorable, and a challenge.

Challenge= bad? no.

give me hard monsters please. Things like lightning enchanted, blow up dolls, etc... were a good thing in my eyes. It kept me on my toes... made playing in those areas more intense.

btw... i believe in one of the latest videos I saw a lightning enchanted boss :D
either that or they were just coming out constantly.

[Sulfuric]

Please don't ever say "Blow-up Dolls" again. You disturb me.

[ScytheNoire]

mmmmm... yes, succubi

[Scorpion Raptide]

Mephisto. And cows. They ruined much of D2...

What I'd like to see return are D1-style succubi. The ones that ran away when approached. The D2 ones are just so weak and easy to kill in comparison.

The cows were cool, I still hear the moo sound they make in my head... disturbing I know :p

[Doffy]

Please don't ever say "Blow-up Dolls" again. You disturb me.

LOL i didn't even think twice when i typed that... let me rephrase.... "Little people that resemble dolls that explode when they reach a close proximity to your character"

:p

[Scapes]

Moo sound?

I think the succubi are offended.
-- Scapes

[Knaifhogg]

I don't want Duriel back :p Man what an annoying creature

[Jeff2006]

lightning enchanted multishot immune to everything in the poor pathetic world guys you find in HELL mode. woot.

that and leapers.. i think they were the only truly annoying monster. the other oens just made me be more careful and pay attention rather than just click.. click click.. click..

[maiku00]

vultures are pretty annoying, its lame how some times you have to sit around waiting for them to land just so you can do anything

[edujackass]

this would be my number one, too. the dolls were a walk in the park compared to Souls (not so much Act4 Souls, but the Act 5 souls on the way to the Baal were a bitch).

i also aggree on those..

the charging 600 psn dmge in 1 hit bugged snake thingys where also veeerry annoying :C + iron maiden.. if ur a ww baba on hardcore its just impossible to do cs runs without getting killed

[Super]

Everything but Venom Lords and Doom Knights.

Love those things.

[Jarl]

Think you named everyone's top choice.

Sand Leapers and anything with Lightning Enchanted come in a close second.
-- Scaper-X

Lightning Enchanted creatures was the ones that gave you the greatest challenge at times. But yes, sand leapers were just plain anoying.

[Destructis]

Doom Knights were the guy on the very last level of the original Diablo? I can't remember if that's what they were called or not, but I really enjoyed killing them. They would twist around in a small tornado and die. Best sounds ever too.

[Sulfuric]

Destructis: Reread the topic. This is monsters you DON'T want to see back.

[quidproquodocta]

take out hard monsters?...

[Sulfuric]

Not hard. Annoying.

Monsters that have ways of getting past gameplay mechanics and fucking you up without you being able to do anything about it. That's pretty much what this thread has been about.

[Booboo]

Gah...it's been said more times than I care to count but to hell with Lightning enchanted multi shots. I lost more hc characters to those bastards than i care to remember....

[Anthroc]

You guys named all of what I would of said.. but one:

THE BIGGEST MONSTER OF THEM ALL:

TUM DUM DUMMMMMMM *drum roll*

LAG

[northrop]

funny thing is.. all of those, and probably a lot more, will be in one way or another, in HGL :D i bet people from FSS read this thread and are thinking to them selfs what a bunch of suckers we are to think those monsters won't be in the game :D

[Michael Darkmoon]

Actually I liked the dolls in act 3. They were hard but fun. What I dont want to see ever again is those knights in act 4 that cast necro curses on you. It was a few years since I played D2 but I still have nightmares about those guys.

[BryanM]

D2 was such a huge drop in the quality of monster style from D1, so depressing.

These are the things from D2 I could stand:

Act 1 - Fallen (borderline, shaman passed that line), zombies, skeletons, goatmen, corrupted rogues
Act 2 - Kitty men, ghouls, the annoying giant mommies that rezed undead were okay, viper men, hunched razorback hungle guys
Act 3 - Annoying guys with scythes, the lightning ghosts at least LOOK good
Act 4 - Pit lords.... death knights were so-so, they were a hell of a step down from D1's Steel Lords, you know?
Act 5 - Minotaurs, succubi

Vampires were disappointing for some reason I am unable to verbalize, but not having any feet wasn't good.

I like how the demons in HG have an alien-esque style to them, really fits in with the futuristic theme. A clean slate, without any baggage.

[Crackseed]

Everyone summed up the monsters I loathed most.

But I REALLY do miss the Hidden. The whole wet-sound when you killed them and their bodies crumpled next to their heads...

Hahaha :D

[HerrStoy]

What's wrong with mommies? I love those mommies. In D2. Awesome mommies.

[Hazar]

the only ones I REALLY hated from diablo 2 were the fallen guys that always run away from you... its basically the most annoying thing that can happen to a melee character

[s4nder]

I wonder why people want the strongest of monsters out of the game, I have lots of fun trying to beat conviction gloams or fanaticism dolls untwinked in hardcore ;). Killing boring harmless zombies is only fun for so long.

However, things like Iron Maiden should be removed as they are clearly overpowered. No melee character can clear the chaos sanctuary alone because of that.

[BryanM]

What's wrong with mommies? I love those mommies. In D2. Awesome mommies.

Yeah, they were pretty cool. Best "new normal monster" design for D2, by far. The rez mechanic was annoying in the sense of all your fine work getting undone by a wave of a monster's hand, but it was a hundred times better than the Fallen Shaman, since undead rising from the dead is actually a cool theme.

[Sulfuric]

I think he was making fun of your English, Bryan.

Mummies. Greater Mummies, specifically.

[Destructis]

Destructis: Reread the topic. This is monsters you DON'T want to see back.

Duh...reading comprehension FTL

Nevermind, but if one of the devs reads this, please put in doom knights!!!!!!!!

[BryanM]

I think he was making fun of your English, Bryan.

Mummies. Greater Mummies, specifically.

More like my dyslexia.

[Scapes]

Doom Knights were the guy on the very last level of the original Diablo? I can't remember if that's what they were called or not, but I really enjoyed killing them. They would twist around in a small tornado and die. Best sounds ever too.
Yep, that'd be Doom Knights.

I'd love to see those again.
-- Scapes

[DMoney24]

funny thing is.. all of those, and probably a lot more, will be in one way or another, in HGL :D i bet people from FSS read this thread and are thinking to them selfs what a bunch of suckers we are to think those monsters won't be in the game :D

Dear god I hope you're joking. I really don't want to spend $50 for a recreation of Diablo.

[adam35711]

Dear god I hope you're joking. I really don't want to spend $50 for a recreation of Diablo.

This is'nt Diablo? wtf?

[Darksaber]

I thought the Stygian Dolls were good as they would make you freak out a little. Running thru the durance of hate and its like yawn yawn zombies etc...
THEN...

ARRRGH OMG Stiggies!!!! Freeze arrow freeze arrow, immune to cold, arrgh FLEE!

DEAD.

Mouse goes flying, yanked up centimetres short of distintigrating against the nearest wall by its cord.

[Seabass]

I don't care about monsters from diablo, what I want is a recreation of act 2!! But only if they make it an incredible pain in the ass. Ohh ya! And they have to have an Arcane Sanctuary-esque level to top it all off too :rolleyes: !

[Soton]

I'm a hater of resurrecting monsters.

[Madix]

I agree with getting rid of the Lightning enchanted-multishots, also some of the fire enchanteds that you meet in hell that deal around 6000 damage with 75% fire resist.

Theres nothing like playing a character for weeks on end only to have them explode in one shot.

Also get rid of Iron maiden unless you plan on making it work against casters too. Its entirely unfair that melee can 1 shot themselves while ranged characters are immune.

[BryanM]

And they have to have an Arcane Sanctuary-esque level to top it all off too!

YES!

I really like constantly playing Where's Waldo while trying to progress in my Progress Quest (http://www.progressquest.com/). I, too, would like more of this kind of gameplay plzzzzzzzz!

[DMoney24]

YES!

I really like constantly playing Where's Waldo while trying to progress in my Progress Quest (http://www.progressquest.com/). I, too, would like more of this kind of gameplay plzzzzzzzz!

I didn't mind it... Good XP

[jdizzle]

1. http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act3/willowisp.gif
In Throne of destruction
2.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act3/bonefetish.gif
ANYWHERE!
3.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act5/bloodlord-opt.gif
In Throne of destruction
4.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act2/clawviper.gif
In Act 2 Claw Viper Temple Level 2
5.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act1/corruptrogue-archer.gif
In enclosed areas in Act 1 (forgotten tower/caves) especially with unique bosses
6.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act1/bighead.gif
When with a unique boss with aura or other buff
7.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act4/megademon.gif
With a strong boss group, very fast and immune, they own you
8.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act2/scarabdemon.gif
Not that bad, just annoying, especially bone scarabs and their bosses
9.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act2/sandleaper.gif
Annoying as hell
10.http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act4/undeadfighter.gif

[Blackmoore]

Using Jdizz's post as a guide, I'd say....


He wins. Nails everything I hate.

[Brother Laz]

I'd say he nailed everything that's somewhat difficult... (ps. balrogs?!)

[Scapes]

Balrogs went splort rather easily as I recall. And weren't much of an annoyance at all. Scarab Beetles, on the other hand...

I do believe this is one of the first "jidizzle listizzles" that I really liked. Neat idea using the animated gifs.
-- Scapes

[AngelicFaces]

Some of those were annoying also because of their location.

The vipers in the Claw Viper Temple Level 2, too many of them for that specific area. If they came at you at the entrance you had to be really ready for them. Once you ran back to level 1, it was impossible to go back down.

And the Scarab Beetles were annoying in the Maggot Lair, because you could only move forward or back, of course back never worked because some other player didn't want to move. And the Scarabs didn't mind being all lined up.

[Jugalator]

I'd say he nailed everything that's somewhat difficult... (ps. balrogs?!)
I agree... And with the Balrog wtf too.

Seriously, with those gone, they'd need to add some new kinds of monsters as hard as those, or we're left with a very boring, bland mix of monsters lacking a personality. Please don't take away challenging monsters in HGL, and then I'm not talking challenging-as-in-lots-of-life. Now those can be annoying.

Some of the most memorable monsters in Diablo 1 was for example Hell Quick Shot Lava Maws to me. :D Oh and Advocates of course. :) In Diablo 2, I disliked for example Vultures and the likes, but didn't mind at all the Minotaurs, or Oblivion Knights although Iron Maiden should have been adjusted. Not their other curses or behavior though, IMHO. I also liked the nasty end monsters protecting Baal.
And the Scarab Beetles were annoying in the Maggot Lair, because you could only move forward or back, of course back never worked because some other player didn't want to move.
I disliked that area much more than its monsters though. I think it was completely unnecessary in a multiplayer game. :p Sure, make narrow pathways if you wish, but not as narrow as they start exploiting the stupidity of some cooperative pick up groups.

[Soton]

Being barbarian in act 5 was hell when meeting the exploding monsters too :(

[jdizzle]

by balrogs do you mean these guys?
http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act1/bighead.gif
Because thats what I kinda remember what I called the 'balrog' but you might be referring to another monster

[BryanM]

http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act4/megademon.gif

I sometimes long for simpler times...

http://www.diabloii.net/diablo/images/blaknigt.gif

http://www.diabloii.net/diablo/images/stormlrd.gif

[Scapes]

Being barbarian in act 5 was hell when meeting the exploding monsters too :(
Agreed.

Come Hell difficulty, those things went from minor nuisance to major threat.
-- Scapes

[Laze]

I've been thinking about what type of monster Hellgate could do without. I came up with the most obvious of them all: the Stygian Doll! Owh how I hate those little buggers! I think I find those more annoying than lightning emitting creatures! Anyone else have monster types they'd rather NOT see?

But they were cute and fluffy and fun, awww! Ok, in some twisted sort of way, at least.

Even when those Stygian Dolls etc. sound very cute, I absolutely hate every small, fast, agile, jumping and hard-hitting creature at D2 (and at any other game).

So you'd prefer rocks as enemies..? :p



And well yeah, i'd hate to see big D again. Damn you, death ray of doom!

Monsters that have ways of getting past gameplay mechanics and fucking you up without you being able to do anything about it. That's pretty much what this thread has been about.

Yeah, that's him. :mad:

[ty1134]

I totally hope the hidden are able to make an appearence, the evil side of me loved hacking those guys down, the sound they would make, and the puddle of there own blood they would fall in.

[adam35711]

Those little hopping.......... frog thingys.......... in Act 2

[BryanM]

oooooo fire breathing demon-frogs. <3

Wild animals/monsters that are shorter than your knee :<

[jato14]

I don't know if anyone said this yet, but I hate Stigian Dolls with a passion. They were fast enough to engage you in melee whether you wanted to or not, and when you killed them, they exploded for massive amounts of damage.

[DemolishMan]

I dislike those monsters that get ressurrected, the worst of all is when you know you will have to kill him again and get no XP. Plus the runners, when you play as a barbarian, its hell having to run after them.

[jdizzle]

I liked most monsters in general, hard monsters add flavor to the game, but some areas just went overboard

The chaos sanctuary was a sorceress's worst nightmare if she doesn't have a mercanery with infinity runeword (takes away immunities)

[Scapes]

Aww, I liked the...Swamp Princes?

Can't recall the name offhand.
-- Scapes

[HerrStoy]

Then use your feet! HAHAHAHA. Nokay. I want flayers back. No, wait. I lied. I don't know why I just said that.

[Jugalator]

I don't know if anyone said this yet, but I hate Stigian Dolls with a passion. They were fast enough to engage you in melee whether you wanted to or not, and when you killed them, they exploded for massive amounts of damage.
Yes, and yay for Fire Enchanted Stygian Dolls. ;)

But there's a fine line to walk here... For example, I don't think a melee character should just be able to rush in and have an easy time in higher difficulties. But I could perhaps take a Stygian Doll's power as melee more than that exploding thing. It felt a bit cheap, although it definitely paved way for some tactical elements. For example, Paladin slow auras, stunning, ranged spells/attacks, and being a little more cautious. A problem with their design might however be that they can have very varying difficulty depending on the character you'd play in solo mode. In multiplayer I felt they were hardly that much of a nuisance though even in Hell if you played in a decent team. Then it most mostly about special freaky cases of boss mods on evil monster types, and things like the Cold Enchanted + Fire Enchanted explosion thing, and MSLE's.

[Spartan_Marine88]

I think mainly burning souls, but leapers I would actually love back, just so I coul blow them out of mid air as they leap in FPS mode, and saying thats for annoying my Barb :P