Vae Victis - Discussion

[pdvinenz]

Ok since this is the official guild name for the Hellgate Guru community, I think it would be nice to discuss how we would like the guild to be structred or just basic talk over how much we are going to own.

Also I'd like to take this oppurtunity to explain what Vae Victis means. First, a small history lesson;

Wikipedia:

Vae victis is Latin for "Woe to the conquered". (or Woe to the Vanquished)

In 390 BC, an army of Gauls led by Brennus attacked Rome, capturing all of the city except for the Capitoline Hill, which was successfully held against them. Brennus besieged the hill and finally the Romans came out wishing to ransom their city. Brennus demanded 1000 pounds (327 kg) of gold and the Romans agreed to his terms.

The Gauls provided steelyard and weights, and the Romans brought out their gold. But the Romans noticed that the weights were counterfeited and dared to notify Brennus about the issue. Brennus took his sword, threw it over the weights and exclaimed: "Vae victis!", forcing the Romans to bring even more gold to fulfill their obligation.[citation needed]

In more recent history, Brennus' phrase was borrowed for the Legacy of Kain series of videogames, where it became the battlecry of the eponymous vampire anti-hero.

Now to the meaning. It does not mean you woe for the vanquished, rather than you are giving the vanquished their woe. Woe can mean distress, grief or regret. So basically you are giving the vanquished that, and from my view that's exactly what we want to give those demon filth. Distress over that they are getting their asses kicked, grief because they know nothing compared to our power and finally regret for invading earth and getting their asses kicked.

Looking to kicking demon ass with you guys soon!

[SgtPepper]

We are a rather large forum, and as a guild for the entire forum we cannot exclude anyone from the forum.

So first: How large can a guild be?

Second: If we cant fit everyone who wants to be in what do we do?

Third: Will there be any sort of rank within the guild?

I can only supply an answer for number two. Multiple Guru Guilds

[pdvinenz]

People are supposed to sign up for the guild, so those who already have a guild or are not interested don't need to join.

I don't see a problem with having a large guild of 100 people or more. As for recruiting, I think the best way to start is to take forum regulars at first, then continue from there if needed.

Maybe we can different chapters of a guild, maybe one for each part of the world, like Europe, Asia, Americas and Oceania?

I guess there will be ranks, as with all guilds. There are most likely going to be officers of the guild and regualr members. Maybe this could be sorted a bit later once we get or make more details.

[SgtPepper]

But how do we know were alloud to have 100+ members in our guild? A lot of games put a limit on that.

[thanatopsis]

I would say dont wory about the number till FSS tells us how big the guilds can be. Granted Im more of a fan of pure democracy so just a guild leader and make it an informal group of instance partners but if every one else dissagress then im also fine with the more traditional system.

[Maverick]

so.. who is the leader?

[OnyxAbyss]

Unnoficial Vae Victus logo!
http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/640/VaeVictusLogo1.jpg

[Super]

I vote that logo.

Vae Victis sounds like a sexy guild. :)

[SgtPepper]

Mmmm... sorry not a big fan of that logo

[pdvinenz]

Logo looks allright... but I think we can get something better; not that I can do anything better :p

[OnyxAbyss]

http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/640/VaeVictusLogo3.jpg

[pdvinenz]

Too simple... sorry :(

What's with the antlers?

[SgtPepper]

simple can work well... but that just isnt doing it for me either...


Edit!

Great idea: Get the Hellgate London Logo but put Vae Victus in instead of HGL

[Blackfish]

Yeah, that logo would be cool for a metal band or something, but I think for the guild we (and by we I mean I) would prefer something a little more...gothic? At the moment it just looks a bit too fluid and modern, which is cool, but not quite what I envision in HGL.

That said, I really dig the trails running off the text and oval!

EDIT: Wow, need to look before I post - this was re: the first logo suggestion by Onyx. re: this one, I agree the antlers are kind of odd-looking, even if crested helms are sweet. Still sweet, and I definitely can't anything approaching that good. Are we shooting for our big logo, like for a Vae Victus site, or one that we'd theoretically put on something like a tabard (but, um, not a tabard, given people's reaction to those in the Cloth thread :))

[Killmojo]

so.. who is the leader?

For the time being, I am. My aim was to just get the guild running then hand over the leadership to somebody else, but if nobody wants to, or feels they can do it, I will continue.

I would like to answer some of the questions so for. With regards to the guild size, I just don't know enough about the mechanics of the game to make a decision on that right now. If there is a limit on players in the guild, we could always create a second or third guild to form an alliance. Rankings are also something I will be looking into, but, as before, the game is so far away and it will be hard to know who will stay committed.

[Azurewrath]

Chapters sound great, for ranks we could borrow from the actual Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (full name) hierarchy, with the leader of the whole "unofficial" alliance of chapters being the Grand Master and the Chapter leaders being, I don't know about that, high masters ? :D

What do you say, GRAND MASTER Killmojo ?

You could have novices, armsmasters, sergeants, lieutenants, evocati ("Rome" from HBO),grail bearers, paladins etc, maybe a whole equivalent hierarchy for cabalists and the third class, but with other names.

Be creative !
Non-guilders could be tolerates, people who haven't joined because they have other guilds but have proven to be friends or allies could be friends of the Order.

Generally, you should the semblance of a rigorous organization.

The Hellgate logo isn't too good for this, OnyxAbyss' logo is too simple, the other one had that weird drawing, but the crossed swords were great. I can't draw, but I'll try to think up some cool ideas.

[Killmojo]

The logos are all very nice, but they may not be needed. If there is a use for them, I will start a competition to find the best one.

[SgtPepper]

Way to take charge killmojo. Whoever appointed you knew what he was doing.

Azurewraith... im sorry... thats just a little too much for me...

[Silver]

I might be interested in signing up, if most of you are joining. How does one join?

[Killmojo]

Just say that you want to join. I'm keeping track of it.

[Silver]

Sign me up, Scotty!

[Shayera]

Our numbers are swelling - thats a good sign :mrgreen:

[BDStyle]

I think this guild will do well, I'm looking forward to kicking some serious ass with you guys :)

[Maverick]

I'd like to join

[SgtPepper]

I would love to see some more of those logo attempts....

[Maverick]

I was messing around with Onyxs modified version of Brandnewyorks logo in paint. I came up with a more templar helm looking version. I did it in paint so it kind of looks like crap and its bad quality but its just a concept. If people like this idea I guess someone who has more expirence with making these things can take the original version and try to do the same thing I did.

http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/2644/templar%20helm.JPG

[SgtPepper]

It basically looks the same... it's just no longer as sharp and crisp looking as it used to be...

Someone make something ORIGINAL!

[Eternalchaos]

I love the name.. and count me in.. Odds are I'll only have one or two friends joining me in HG:L if that so it is silly to have a guild of 2 ROFL!!... plus you guys are all uber cool. It would be great to hang out with you all in game

as for some of the issues pepper had at first, I ran a few guilds / clans in various games so to answer your questions

1: probably 100.. but there are ways around this :P (see answer 2)

2: just as you said Pepper.. multiple guru guilds.. just create the same name with a nice added latin prase at the end..

3: always there should be rank. It doesn't have to be an "official" rank , like say Sol is leader.. we don't become his official beawtches.. but in a way he is our leader and we have to respect his wishes :) think of a democratic style leadership. I personally think Leadership (leader + officers) always should be made up of the dedicated members who are open minded, and don't get hissy pissy if a member questions them.


3a: also , do not overload on officers or it gets to power heavy. If anything have say 1 leader.. 1 co-leader and say 2-3 officers for a guild of 100.. that is like 18-20 members per leader/officer. Break the 100 guild member team into 5 sections then . Did this with my CS clan and it worked wonders. The same group always played together and say half of team Beta couldn't make the scrim.. Team Gamma just jumped right in and there was no worry about communication.

Same could be done with this. Especially with 40+ guild raids... it would be an almost instant split build :p can perform flanks and leet roman maneuvers. Not to mention an individual leader per group so you don't have one person controlling an entire team of 40.. Of course if the guild leader says fall the F back!!? the officers better listen or its a courtmarshal :P


PS: i like the original vae victis logo.. but I say give it time. The fiery style works good but perhaps a black and fiery background swirled together with Vae Victis coming out 3dimensionally. Perhaps a semi transparent image of a demon or all 3 classes(once finished) forming a triangle around the name :)

[Killmojo]

I've got down all the new members. Welcome! Keep those logo's coming as well guys.

[Maverick]

http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/2644/logo%20concept.jpg

Again, these are just rough concepts.. Maybe i'll give someone who knows what there doing a good idea for a logo :p

[SgtPepper]

3a: also , do not overload on officers or it gets to power heavy. If anything have say 1 leader.. 1 co-leader and say 2-3 officers for a guild of 100.. that is like 18-20 members per leader/officer. Break the 100 guild member team into 5 sections then . Did this with my CS clan and it worked wonders. The same group always played together and say half of team Beta couldn't make the scrim.. Team Gamma just jumped right in and there was no worry about communication.

I like that idea, but i'd make a couple more officers. Set it up for about 12-15 members per officer. Also, ya need to make sure there is a way to elimante unfair officers.

Last but not least, a hope. Please do not force anyone to do anything in the guild. Do not say "make this build." Rather, suggest it.

[Killmojo]

Maverick, that looks a little... Nazi... or something.

[SgtPepper]

Yeah i must agree...

[SgtPepper]

Ok i was screwing around and please understand i have about the artistic ability of a 5yr old... but here

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8180/untitled10kv1.png

Please dont hurt me...

[Killmojo]

Ok i was screwing around and please understand i have about the artistic ability of a 5yr old... but here

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8180/untitled10kv1.png

Please dont hurt me...

Well, its not Nazi. Not sure what it is, but it isn't Nazi.

[Maverick]

Maverick, that looks a little... Nazi... or something.
lol.. it was supose to be a cross

[pdvinenz]

I don't see how it's Nazi.

[Killmojo]

There's nothing directly Nazi about it. When I first saw it my first thought was Nazi.

[SgtPepper]

Exactly... my mind went to the same place. And if 2/4 think that... well... theres bound to be more...

comeon we dont want to be offensive.

[jdizzle]

i think it should be like this
.............................................vae victus
............................................/......l......\
........................................./.........l.........\
....................................../............l............\
.................................../...............l...............\
..brethren in rags of blood............??????...........???????????
........(BIROB)..............................(???? )...............(?????)

-i came up with the name brethren in tides of blood(it sounds cool and the initials sound cool also) and was going to make my own guild, but then saw this guild- so as sgtpepper kinda said, we should have multiple guilds, im thinking vae victus as the name of the whole group and 3 guilds, including my guild name if you want
-for dividing the whole guru population it would work pretty well id think

it would be cool like being a member of the vae victus guild, in the BIROB clan
heh

[Killmojo]

The sub-guilds will certainly come into effect if there is a cap on membership.

[SgtPepper]

Somehow i think it would be best if call the Vae Victus guilds had something to do with vae victus...

and dont get ahead of yourself... 300 memebers looks very unlikely. Killmojo how many are we at so far?

[13hades13]

Ok i was screwing around and please understand i have about the artistic ability of a 5yr old... but here

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8180/untitled10kv1.png

Please dont hurt me...

mastercard maybe? not that i could do any better.

as to organization, officers are definitely a must, but I'd wait until the game comes out so we know who's actually going to be on regularly and capable of holding the guild together. I like the idea of being part of a smaller squad, then we could have squad pride and intra-guild competitions.

ranks are fun, but being the guy labelled "peon" isn't. i say there should be three levels of command, maybe four. Leader, officers, and members. The possible fourth would be inactives, to label those that defect to a different game.

[jdizzle]

brethren in rags of blood is pretty general, metaphorically meaning clan members fought and risked their lives for their...clan....yeeeah
and in the history of vae victus on page1
-quoted
In 390 BC, an army of Gauls led by Brennus attacked Rome, capturing all of the city except for the Capitoline Hill,

It fits the scenario, with a battle…hmmm….i know- howabout 3 perspectives of the history of vae victus- brethren in rags of blood is the battle side to the story, maybe another clan name will be something about the money involved, another about anger- we can figure it out

[SgtPepper]

heres an idea: the squads can vote on a name for their squad?

[Killmojo]

heres an idea: the squads can vote on a name for their squad?

When the time comes, this is the intention.

[Silver]

That's good. I'd like to run one.

[Shayera]

My guess is that we will somehow end up with "Vae Victis - Europe" plus "Vae Victis - America" etc. The different timezones we live in might lead to that anyway.

So the idea of squads is a very good one. If we can organize that right, it will be a very interesting thing for all - marching separately - striking together ;)

[Azurewrath]

Way to take charge killmojo. Whoever appointed you knew what he was doing.

Azurewraith... im sorry... thats just a little too much for me...

What are you talking about ? I haven't been able to use my stupid connection until today, so I'm sorry for taking so long to respond.

So ... what are you talking about ? Is it the names and stuff ? I got them off wikipedia and various other sources and some TV shows. It was just a suggestion. I think they're a bit too many and overly complicated too.

Come on, speak up, I won't bite :mrgreen: But my 200 pound bull mastiff does. His favourite food is faces.

[SgtPepper]

i just thought there was a bit too many... i mean its not like everyone in the guild is gonna have a different rank...

A question: What are going to be our views on item sharing? Will there be a sharing within the clan? For instance: I am a gunner. I found the equivalent of The Grandfather (Executioner Sword). Am going to have to give it to whoever in the guild needs it, or can i hang on to it?

[Eternalchaos]

Honestly... I think it depends. You could always offer to sell it to someone in the clan at a reduced price.

Even my friends we sell one another things. I tend to just give them items though unless they want to pay me back especially If i won't use them. Still.. if you are a gunner and you find a Grandfather ROFL if storage overlaps characters I'd be keeping it for my templar character I will make just for that sword..

but.. I'd say just offer it at reduced price. Say it sells for 10million.. sell it maybe for 4-6million within the clan. Or item trade.. Say someone found your ultimate gunner weapon... :) sounds fair.. Ultimate Gun for Ultimate Sword

[SgtPepper]

My thoughts exactly. The reason i asked is that once upon a time i joined a diablo clan and a very similar situation arose... except it involved a windforce. The clan leader tried to make me give it to him... i left the clan...

[Shayera]

Then we are already three persons with the same opinion!

Demanding to hand something over is not a good thing... giving something to the guild for a lesser-than-normal price is fine by me. I'd ask first my guild/clan if someone could use it - if not i'll sell/trade it with someone else.

[jdizzle]

i think we wont have to worry about that as long as we dont really define rules involving trade and sharing in the guild, i think trading willingly, for cheap will come instinctively, were all going to be friends anyways..well maybe a rule like
-no commanding others to give up their items- would eliminate the demanding of giving up stuff, but being a happy, trustwortthy clan of friends would allow easy and cheaper tradeing

[Eternalchaos]

Yeah i hate demanding.. I see something I want I always goof aroudn going OMG I WANT IT GIMMIE GIMMIE and just run circles around the guy for an hour :P but its al in good fun because I'm with friends. Unless they litterally want to give it to me for free.. I really rather farm it myself, trade for it, or at least give them some kind of money.

I usually work with my friends using a "IOU" system. They hook me up with 20mil worth of armor in RYL2 I tend to be a master at finding books. I've given everyone free 300,000-1,000,000 gold books. You give me the sword.. IOU say, next grade armor once you find some.. or that suit of armor you got on now.. I want it once you find better.. etc etc.

[SgtPepper]

Well its good to see we are so far of the same opinion.

[nex_angelus_]

Add me to the clanlisting if you could cheers.

Logo wise, I know it's not original but I just kinda liked the theme of a fist with a sun behind it so I ran with it. Here's a few mock-ups.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d42/wrenchcannon/nex_angelus_/VaeVictus.jpg

[jdizzle]

the far right fist one reminds me my favorite diablo2 char- the fireclaw druid! yes!!, im so proud of him...anyways....the first and 3rd ones look the coolest i think

[Eternalchaos]

I like the first one.. :) it reminds me of the predator hand blades... if I could use photoshop I would help out but *proudly stands tall* I refuse to download it for some stupid reason. Probably because I would make myself cry when I can't draw crap on it.

[jdizzle]

someone please listen to this song, its one of my favorites and also it would be cool for hgl
http://www.mp3shits.com/download_mp3/Cky_96_Quite_Bitter_Beings_mp3/28480/
drag the 'DOWNLOAD NOW' link to the url, its near the top in a table on the middle right

[Silver]

Shoud be light blue, hitting spectral white... We ain't demons.

My looks will prolly be mostly white ingame.

[SgtPepper]

Hmm, i like the first/fire... but can you repost the one on the far right in some different colors?

[Eternalchaos]

someone please listen to this song, its one of my favorites and also it would be cool for hgl
http://www.mp3shits.com/download_mp3/Cky_96_Quite_Bitter_Beings_mp3/28480/
drag the 'DOWNLOAD NOW' link to the url, its near the top in a table on the middle right

Cool song :) I heard it before a few times, just didn't know who did it until now.

Here are a few songs, epic like..and/or evilish sounding.. or more gothic sounding that might go with HG:L's existing theme of music being used in the game

Epica - The Valley, Epica - Palladium
Therion - Postludium Axel Rudi Pell - The Arrival
Within Temptation - The Gatekeeper (i love this song.. it gets better as it goes on)
Kitaro - The Heavenly Father (odd but might work )
Castlevania Symphony OST - Disk 1 , track 2
Kamelot - Ascension
Dragonland - Dragon Dawn (iffy on this one)

:P yeah I got way to much music. I only picked stuff with no lyrics because theme songs with lyrics that don't go with the guild's name or moto make people go 0.o

BTW i also got some amazing metal techno stuff... it was titled under the band FLESH FIELD but I have never found any reference to this band anywhere yet on the web or internet. This stuff is amazing and I wish I could share it. It would go very nicely. Especially Lost and Silicon Skies

[Killmojo]

Cool logos nex, they look really good, and familiar, really familiar... I don't know why though... still, good stuff.

I dont think guild music is a good idea. People have very stong views on what they like, and it could only lead to arguments.

[Eternalchaos]

aww.. I love music.. all kinds except ultra ultra hickville country where people are singing about their pickup trucks needing oil filter changes.. what we need is a song that is rock/emo/pop/goth/opera/country/jazz all in one. It may make your ears bleed but it is politically correct

[Killmojo]

If you can find one, I would love to hear it. :)

[jdizzle]

have you guys seen the videos on how instancing works while you play- its so sick, i dont feel like explaining it but its pretty simple

[SgtPepper]

Hmm... can i get some linkage please?

[jdizzle]

go to gamertrailers.com, hellgate london videos, then billroper demo
or
follow this link (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1779), lol and go to bill roper video 'demo'

[Blackfish]

Cool logos nex, they look really good, and familiar, really familiar... I don't know why though... still, good stuff.
They look at lot like Warhammer 40K emblems to me - which is cool, because that game has style.

[Eternalchaos]

OMFG.. *dies*... I love it.. the fact it is so like GW.. even if you go online you dont' have to worry about noobs KS'ing and item stealing or boss whoring..

the game play looks amazing.. not overly fast.. but not sluggish and I do like how instancing works. It isn't so much instancing though. To me it looks more like they have a quest set up on 1 of say.. 40 versions of the map. that means you got a 1/40 chance of getting this quest. I am sure it isn't impossible to find but it will require some farming which sounds fun to me! rofl

imagine finding that instance quest / map build when you are in your 80's ROFL!!!! oh no.. a nightmare *looks at it dealing 800000 damage and wins!* wooho!

PS: I do think the level cap should be higher than 99/100. Playing RYL2 lets me see that. It has a similar leveling system to HG:L it seems.. you level up very fast at first then it slows down .. but hell.. 2 weeks of solid playing and you could be level 80 already. I originally wanted a 255 level cap but that is retarded now that I think of it.. Perhaps.. around 120.. I mean it gets really hard to level past 60 in RYL2 but it isn't impossible, same with FFXI.. Diablo2 was the same... it was just enemies gave you crappy XP at some point Assuming HG:L has enmies that do grow with you or very powerful enemies.. 120 seems pretty fair.. it would require a retarded amount of grinding and in a way.. plus.. that is an extra 20 lvels of grinding and 20more reasons why to play!!! :P

[OnyxAbyss]

Hopefully even if you hit a player level cap, you will still be able to level up your skills, either through just using them or finding skill orbs.

[SgtPepper]

that looks really cool.

I dont like how underpopulated the instance was though... too few enemies for my tastes.

[Eternalchaos]

It is the beginning of the game remember Pepper.. You are like.. level 1-5 in thisportion so they can't throw a million things at you. Plus these are areas very very close to the main base so I am sure they have been somewhat secured...

[Azurewrath]

If the areas near the town are somewhat secure, does that mean that you will have to pass through multiple instances to reach a difficult area ? Without having to return to the city ?

[SgtPepper]

Hmm... i dont think anyone really knows about that one.

[Eternalchaos]

Yeah.. not sure on that either but having the initial area outside of the city somewhat secure (or at least very low spawns near the portals to towns) makes alot of sense.. Plus.. what if you got 56K and the area takes a bit to load like in GW .. enemies by the portal will instantly agro and kill you before you even get there ROFL!

[SgtPepper]

Ok, and back to the point of the thread. Another question:

Do we plan to "power level" the new people in our guild, or much like in a fraternity, make them level their own first hero to "build character"?

[Blackfish]

I've never seen the point of power-levelling...so much of this kind of game is about the character-building process - getting new levels and skills and gear - and the enjoyment of that (for me, anyway), is crippled if someone helps you zoom through it.

[SgtPepper]

my thoughts exactly. The only time i would do it is on say my third sorceress who i found a really good fire staff for which i cant use because my other two sorcs are lightning and ice.

Then i might... but otherwise... you get the picture.

[Azurewrath]

I finally understand what power-levelling means :D I wouldn't do it either, I like the fact that my character's levels or lack of reflects my own n00biness and idiocy.

I would, however, accept to be helped a bit with a character which I will keep in reserve so as to open a big stinkly can of whoop ass on any asshole who makes fun of my n00by character or repeatedly targets me while I'm really far below him in terms of skills. AKA, he'll be dead meat, and I'll emo a fart in his helmet.

I'm really getting the hang of this Internet slang, right dawgs ?

[Blackfish]

I'll emo a fart in his helmet.
Hahaha...umm...did you mean emote? Or are you going to fart in a whiny, musical, Dashboard Confessional way?

Other than that, yeah the slang is progressing nicely.

[nex_angelus_]

Don't have any actual ideas as to music for the clan but I liked the idea of bands like Flesh Field.

Logo-wise I did another mock up but with a more templar type colour scheme...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d42/wrenchcannon/Logo1.jpg

[HerrStoy]

Or write a poem about cutting yourself because you farted at someone. Sound like a nice plan.

In darkness I cry
I see you in the rain
My mind black like the night
And my knife shimmers in the moonlight
Eyes of red and Good Charlotte on the radio
I cry and smell my emo fart
Catch it in my hand and bag it with my suicide note
I die.

[Blackfish]

LOL, that's amazing HerrStoy. Way to sum up all of emo in one poem.

Nex, I like that one - though I have to say that the spiny wheel behind the fist looks a lot like the Chaos symbol from 40K, and thus strikes me as a little inappropriate for demon-fighters (that's just me with my silly associations, though).

[SgtPepper]

I like it!

[Azurewrath]

Or write a poem about cutting yourself because you farted at someone. Sound like a nice plan.

In darness I cry
I see you in the rain
My mind black like the night
And my knife shimmers in the moonlight
Eyes of red and Good Charlotte on the radio
I cry and smell my emo fart
Catch it in my hand and bag it with my suicide note
I die.

:lol: :lol: I choked on my apple when I read this. You, sir, are a true poet ! :lol: :D

Hahaha...umm...did you mean emote? Or are you going to fart in a whiny, musical, Dashboard Confessional way?

I meant when you press a button and your character does something totally unrelated to the game, but meant to make monkeys laugh and continue to pay for the stupid money-sucking MMO. I think it's an emote ! But it wouldn't be any more, if it had some real fart in it !

[HerrStoy]

Hehe thanks. I pride myself in my improvised emo poetry skills.

Nex: I like it too. It makes me think about the Bauhaus logo in the old DoomTrooper trading card game. Mutant Chronicles I believe they call the series.

[pdvinenz]

Nice one HerrStory :D

[Eternalchaos]

I hate power leveling.. I only power level when i've played through the game.. and I am making a new character just to help out with like.. level 80 questing.. I am not gonig to spend 2 months getting to level 80

Just get your buddy.. power level you through the game and do your stuff.. Unless of course it is a new class :) like going from templar to cabalist. Play through it slow and steady to learn the class first

[Killmojo]

If someone wants to be powerleveled, I encourage everyone to help them out. If they want to take the game slowly, nobody can put any pressure on them to speed up.

[pdvinenz]

I think FSS might make powerleveling harder than Diablo II. You know like not giving experience to kills made by players 10 levels above another player and not giving experience to monster kills made players 10 levels lower or higher than the monster.

If it is possible, then yes the guild should support its members. That's what a guild is about.

[Blackfish]

Oh, certainly if they want to. But it shouldn't be a "you have to be X level to be in the guild, here we're going to power level you now" kind of thing. Which it doesn't sound like it will be, which is good!

I do hope they limit things, like in WoW...it's fairly difficult to power level because of how aggro (who the enemies attack) worked and crushing blows and the like - if you were level 30 in a level 40 or 50 zone, you were pretty much toast unless you had an army of friendlies with you, and this made it a lot more time-efficient and less frustrating to just play the game like it was meant to be played.

That said, some people might want to avoid that, esp. on a second or eighth char or something.

[jdizzle]

ya lvl req for giulds is dumb, fss will definately make it harder to power lvl youngins
its really easy to say that if lvl difference of 40, than 20% exp gaind, 30 lvl diff than 25% gaind....plus fss allreadi announced that higherlvl chars in a lower lvl place wont drop items, money, exp or anything to avoid rigged cheesing
('to be cheezed' supposively was another name for 'to be rushed' a few years back in diablo2)
so with that in place there will be no point to have a lvl cap because low lvlers wont have any reason to follow around the big kids for anything except for a cool show......but iam a bit confused about no exp gained if higher lvl chars are around, wat if a gruop of highers are alredi fighting when a lower comes along??

[Blackfish]

but iam a bit confused about no exp gained if higher lvl chars are around, wat if a gruop of highers are alredi fighting when a lower comes along??
Presumably you'd have to be in a group/party for the XP to be shared, and that way you don't have lowbies lurking around higher end people mooching off XP - the higher lvls at least have to invite the lowbie in, I'd expect.

[BDStyle]

Oh i have no problem with power leveling in the slightest... as long as the person who needs it has played the game through and experianced it. On my 9th char or so i'll certainly feel no need to 'play the storyline' if i need to test a build out at higher levels.

As for limits imposed, we would be naive to say there should be none, that said having harsh ones like level definers or playtime definers should not be involved at all.

However.... maybe there should be an elite section to the guild... for those wanting competitive gaming and the thrill of the race to be the best.

As Guru's 'official' guild we should aim to be a guild for anyone of guru's members and reflective of it. So that l337 gamers can join and be competitive and proud to state their guild, while casual gamers or those that don't want the l337 pressure can game in a fun enviroment.

If we don't define how we look at ourselves now it will be hard once we start in game.

[Eternalchaos]

Oh yeah definately a limit.. I would limit it based off level size. Party to far out of your level you get no XP and items... I am having trouble coming up with a fomula that might work... give me some time I probbably can think up something that boosts XP the bigger the party gets.. while making those that are trying to XP leach get nothing

[SgtPepper]

Well the one thing that bugs me is when theres a level 80 guy who has no idea what hes doing. Its just like "what have you been doing the last 80 levels?"

[HerrStoy]

I say each to his own. There's no requirement of having to be -this- good to be that level. It would be hard to make games like that based on actual gaming skills.

[Shayera]

I belong to the funhunting group - powerlevelling sounds too much like work for me ;).

The best fun i had in many MMORPG was to sit around and talk with people. I'm not interested in running around in a "look-what-my-level-is" kind.

Many called me a "noob" for that, but to be blunt, i don't care!

The best thing was in WoW - first someone insulted me, then he cried for my help. Make a guess how much help he got...

[Majpain]

Will we use any Voip?Like TS or Vent?

[Killmojo]

Yeah, I'm looking into getting a Vent server up.

[pdvinenz]

hehe, 666 views...

[Zeremi]

hehe, 666 views...
How the hell it all happens today...

OMG LOOK THE DATE WHEN I JOINED!!!
ARGH THERE IS NEAR ME A MAGAZINE THAT WAS ONLY 6,66€!!!

Why the sky is so red?

[Toothpick]

....and today is swedens national day. hehe
Guess we'll be on someones good side.

[HerrStoy]

Hehe, but none of you ever celebrate it though, so it's not really a big deal if it is on 666. 8)

[thanatopsis]

my car is working after going to the machanics which is a first so the 6/606 thing is beeing a big letdown. just watch and at midnight scraper or sol gets the invites to beta test.

[SgtPepper]

technically this isnt 666. Its 665.

You see, back in medivial time they were very superstitous and they completely skipped the year 666. They just went from 665-667.

A question: Lots of clans have "the elite" and the other guys. The elite are really the clan... the other guys are just in it. Its like winning a baseball game but not playing in it. How do we avoid "the elites?"

[HerrStoy]

Does the clan really have to be that hard ass? I don't see a problem with just being a group playing together. There's no WoW and obligatory raid parties in Hellgate (I hope). Didn't FSS say they wanted to avoid that? The in out kill boss type thing?

[SgtPepper]

Thats what i want to avoid... but as we've never played the game... well you see.

[HerrStoy]

I see and I agree. I guess there will be cliques of people playing more than others, but Iunno. One way is to make it a point that everyone is welcome in games and that clan events should be encouraged. Something like that?

Like you said, there's really no way of knowing for sure until we know what the multiplayer dynamics are like and how the game works.

[thanatopsis]

well to avoid internal cliques the easiest way is to have one guild night every few weeks, where people see what others need to do and mix up the groups the quest/play with.

[Eternalchaos]

I love guild nights :) it is a way to keep everyone together and chatting.. avoids seperation.

BTW.. don't use Ts2.. i forgot one thing :P ts2 has a bug built into it that allows anyonw to take over your Ts2 server.. they don't even need a PW or be registered.. in my guild for GW alone we've had our TS2 confiscated probably 5 times already.. of course to get it back just reset the client.. remake it and you are fine.. but

vent has better audio quality + can't be haxxored!

[HerrStoy]

Hmm. People seem to be repeating me a lot lately : P

Boobs, can someone just take over your ts2 server? :S Didn't know that, but it fits well with my view of TS2 as the disney of voice com. : )

And I bet that inbetween members of the guild people know lots about this stuff. I remember the first time I joined a clan playing BF1942 I was the guild leader of the BF division after 5 days and I didn't know anything about running a clan. Don't want that again. : P

[SgtPepper]

hmm... i do not want to buy a mike!! not cool man... not cool...

but i will when the time comes.

[Majpain]

I love guild nights :) it is a way to keep everyone together and chatting.. avoids seperation.

BTW.. don't use Ts2.. i forgot one thing :P ts2 has a bug built into it that allows anyonw to take over your Ts2 server.. they don't even need a PW or be registered.. in my guild for GW alone we've had our TS2 confiscated probably 5 times already.. of course to get it back just reset the client.. remake it and you are fine.. but

vent has better audio quality + can't be haxxored!

Yes my clan that im a part of for Red Orchestra uses Ts2 and we had some 12 year old pre pubers join our ts it was annoying.Recently we had a 14 year old German kid singing some Hiel Hitler song in German.

[Eternalchaos]

Not to mention... all's you need is a scripting program.. log into Ts2.. activate a script and POOF.. youinstantly steal admin rights

Happens in just a few moments. Just log in.. steal the admin rights.. ban everyone :P congrats it is your Ts2 until they close the client.. You can also plant scripts to delete all user info.. and crash the client... Sadly Ts2 refuses to patch this bug.

CS v1.5 had the same problem.. you can run scripts int he background.. hit the key.. BAMN server gets a critical crash and you reset everyone's Config file :P relog into CS and all your settings have been defaulted...

[Pheonix]

hmm... i do not want to buy a mike!! not cool man... not cool...

but i will when the time comes.

Try getting a headset. You can get something like a logitech for around $15 now, and headsets always seem to be better than just a microphone in me experience.

[Eternalchaos]

Yeah don't be cheap like me and use a really expensive pair of headphones w/ a free Mic from Dell taped to it :p Logitech makes some fantastic headsets.. plantronics as well

I use senheinser (sp?) but they have pricey stuff.. headphones are amazing though for the price..

[OnyxAbyss]

I just bought a really shitty headset. Headphones has shit sound and the mic is shit quality. Don't get a Cyber Acoustics headset, they are shit!!

[SgtPepper]

Hmm... i'll add that to my list of things never to buy.

[HerrStoy]

Yeah, don't ever buy a USB headset either, since we're already giving advice. I needed a headset with mic because my onboard soundcard was shot to hell. USB can't be trusted with audio signal and drivers. Mine goes to hell after minutes and I have to change any random setting to renew contact and get a signal. Which means alt tabbing for games. : / And when I unplug it the computer gets a bluescreen and resets. Stay far far away from usb headsets, but I think ordinary USB soundcards are ok.

[pdvinenz]

I have a Koss Headset with mic, comfy and really good quality.

As for the guild we should use Ventrilo. It's much, much better than TS.

[SgtPepper]

Didnt they say hellgate london will have an mike thing set up? Shouldn't we check that out first?

[Maverick]

Those ingame voice things tend to suck.. Well it did in all the games i played. All the clans ive been in use Ventrilo.

[SgtPepper]

No need to make a rash generalization. You never know, FSS might make a good one.

[Maverick]

maybe.. I'm just saying the Ingame voice coms are usualy very basic.. All you do is press a button and talk, no whispering or anything. With ventrilo you can have seperate channels and you can discuss stuff without having to be in the game.

[OnyxAbyss]

The in-game voice coms for BF2 and Dungeons and Dragons: Online were pretty good.

[Maverick]

The BF2 one is good for pubing but they arn't that great for clans

[SgtPepper]

i dont see why it would be a big deal-chatting in pubilic that is. There is no competitive gameplay to date. What are people going to do, steal our strategies?

[Silver]

In the end everyone is going to prolly spend playing most of the time with people they played with before. So it might not in the start, but in the end you'll find yourself on closed and private channels.

[Eternalchaos]

i dont see why it would be a big deal-chatting in pubilic that is. There is no competitive gameplay to date. What are people going to do, steal our strategies?


look at Guild Wars.. observer mode was added late Nov early Dec... since then GvG turned into a copy cat "cookie-cutter" game..

You either run Pressure, Ranger Spike, Necro Spike, Rainbow spike, Iway, or Adrenaline spike..

it is sad.. because my guild used to run a basic balanced build and we constantly won.. but now you run that balanced build you get laughed at because it is so innefficient.. just like W/Mo's now such in GW for GvG and PvP yet my guild with W/Mo's gets 40+ game win streaks in the arenas hehe..

Thing is... HG:L who cares if they steal strats.. the game is about skill .. in guildwars you could be a moron and do fine.. because of how the game and skills are designed.. you can't screw up a skill nor your build.. why there is so many copy cats running around.

[SgtPepper]

The reason why you see that in GW is because they stopped trying to balance the skills after they released the game. There should be tons of nerfing/buffing of skills going on in the patches to make the game as balanced as possible.

[Eternalchaos]

The reason why you see that in GW is because they stopped trying to balance the skills after they released the game. There should be tons of nerfing/buffing of skills going on in the patches to make the game as balanced as possible.


hehe they been nerfing since Dec.. been 4 nerfs already..

smiting is gone.. putrid explosion spam.. they weakened chain lightning...

at the same time they made mesmers cast even fasters.. monks have to worry less about mana.. warriors got screwed in most of their issues.. they left Iway ROFL!

spirit spamming was solved but they then brought it back with Ritualists 0.o They are still balancing just doing a shitty job at it.. It is why Guild Wars isn't selling anymore. I pretty much am finished with the game.. I just want HG:L already.. be it beta or demo.. i need my fix!!!

[brandnewyork]

Been working all day everyday, so i havent been able to post much ... but im down for the clan .. just remember that.

[Majpain]

I just noticed Vae Victis is a RTW quote.Well thats where I saw it atleast (just got RTW yesterday)

[pdvinenz]

I just noticed Vae Victis is a RTW quote.Well thats where I saw it atleast (just got RTW yesterday)

Yeah, you know that quote was made like 2000 years ago... just to let you know :p

RTW has a lot of Roman proverbs to read, but I have a book :D

[Ghost]

Is there a Vae Victis guild roster anywhere?

[Inferi]

I'd like to know if there is a roster as well.

[HerrStoy]

Oh, don't we all.

[Ghost]

I could get a guild forums going just for Vae Victis members if there isnt already one...I think I might actually have an extra one already just need to change the name of it.

[Killmojo]

There isn't a roster up currently, but I've been keeping track of it all. The current members are:

Killmojo
Pheonix
13hades13
Illo
Killer_poptart
Delacroix
RiF
SgtPepper
Blackfish
Shayera
Holy-One
BDStyle
Thanatopsis
Zeremi
Inferi
FunkOnCrack
Raziel
Pdvinenz
Eternalchaos
Maverick
Silver
Nex_Angelus_
Brandnewyork
Herrstoy
Ghost
Jdizzle
Beololol
OnyxAbyss
Pernicious

I'm sorry for the lack of work I've done on the guild. I'm currently in the middle of exams and I really don't have the time. So Ghost, I would really appreciate it if you could do that.

[Ghost]

No need for the question mark...I want in :) And I just asked my brother to help me with the forums and I found out that they cost money :( I could make us a decent website this weekend though. If any of you have a nice Vae Victis banner all ready that would help out a lot. Sorry I can't get the forums but I could put a link on the site that leads to a forums page as soon as we get one. If anyone has a way they can get a free forum site that would be nice also. My email is hiddenhands@gmail.com if anyone has and ideas for the site let me know please.

[Killmojo]

Well ok, you are in. The thing is, we really dont need the forums, as is it the Hellgate Guru guild. A website, however, may come in handy in the future, especially when the game ships, to keep track of things like loot, DKP, members, or whatever else we need.

[Eternalchaos]

Honestly what i think should be done is keep hellgate guru going..

there should be a side website to post pictures.. stats... awards or feats accomplished.. etc etc..

This forum itself should have a private section made for guild members only ... a section only guild members can see also :P private forum all set!

Next.. EternalChaos gets all the gold for the first week :P

[Ghost]

lol yea, and I get the gold every week after that :P

[Ghost]

I'm not sure how to keep track of DKP, but I'll do my best on the other stuff you listed. Let me know how I could keep track of DKP and I'll be glad to do so. I'm actually gunna stay up tonight and work on a few designs for the site. I'll post a few images on here to see which ones you guys like. And if you ever change your mind about having a site, I can always delete it no biggie.

[jdizzle]

hey add me too?!
ya once the game comes out hg guru will still survive, but having a seperete section for guild members is tight

[Beololol]

If Krazy isn't joining, count me in.

I'd love to be in a guild with that crazy SolInvustus guy, but Krazy latches on to Sol like a 28 year old nerd living in his moms basement does free internet porn and Everquest.

But I'm hardcore at everything, so count me in.

[jdizzle]

hardcore as in the game mode, dvaimos said it would be hardcore guild, but then arguements arose

- it will mostlikely be both
-im wiling to bet on that that

[Killmojo]

Ghost, don't worry about the DKP yet. Somebody out there will come up with some sort of software that we can use.

EDIT: Krazy is in Umbra Aquila. Unless that falls apart he will not want to join.

EDIT 2:
hardcore as in the game mode, dvaimos said it would be hardcore guild, but then arguements arose

- it will mostlikely be both
-im wiling to bet on that that

Hoping for both. It depends on the demand for it.

[Ghost]

Ok, I have DKP Link(links to nothing atm) and a Roster Link(links to our current roster)... Am I missing anything else? :P

[Killmojo]

I'm sure there will be more to add later. Oh, don't forget to link to HGGuru.

[Ghost]

If someone could, please write a short(or long if you prefer) description of the guild, what we're planning on accomplishing etc. You can also throw in the HGGuru link in there. This will go on the main page of our new site I'm working on :D

[Ghost]

Tell me what you guys think of it so far...(its not really that blury...idk what happened when i uploaded it)
http://f5.putfile.com/6/16304065235-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/16304065235.jpg&s=f5)

[Killmojo]

Nice work with the website! I'm currently working on guild rules and description, but I've been alling behind a bit with exams. They should be ready in a few weeks.

[Ghost]

Yea I know...:P Alright thats no problem just take your time...so youre still in school??

[Eternalchaos]

Not bad ghost.. I like that style you gave to the page also.. It isn't overly flashy but has as your Avatar/sig displays.. an erie ghost like aftertaste to it ..

btw two questions....

1) wtf is DKP i probably know what it is just it slipped my mind so x.x someone refresh me :)

2) ; - ; why isn't North, Sol and Krazy on that roster list *cries*

[Ghost]

Thanks Eternalchaos :D
Answers to your questions...
1) Dragon Killing Points I believe? never really used them so im not 100% sure
2) dont know :P

[Ghost]

Whos the leader of the guild?

[HerrStoy]

I believe KillMojo is.

[Eternalchaos]

? when did the guild decide on leaders and rank ??? last I heard we all were talking about how to do rank and leadership... We still havn't had the customary fight to the death scene re-enactment from star trek yet ; - ; !!!

[Ghost]

Well we will need a main Guild Master...someone who can take responsibility of being in charge of the whole guild.

[Beololol]

I just want to kill and set shit on fire.

[Killmojo]

Not bad ghost.. I like that style you gave to the page also.. It isn't overly flashy but has as your Avatar/sig displays.. an erie ghost like aftertaste to it ..

btw two questions....

1) wtf is DKP i probably know what it is just it slipped my mind so x.x someone refresh me :)

2) ; - ; why isn't North, Sol and Krazy on that roster list *cries*

To answer your questions:

DKP stands for Dragon Kill Points. It a basically a system where you gather points for doing raids, which you can use to bid on items that drop. It rewards players who raid a lot, but allows more casual players to gather their gear over time.

Sol is actually in another guild/clan. He said that he would like to be an honourary member though. Krazy is in Umbra Aquila, and thus is not likely to join. North just has not epressed any interest so far, but I would welcome him if he did.

[Ghost]

I'll have the site up this weekend for sure...just need my uncle to come over to help me publish to my site :P If anyone wants their email on the site for any reason let me know. For example, I'll have mine on there in case anyone needs me for anything...maybe to let me know if I skipped someone in the roster or something idk

[OnyxAbyss]

I know I haven't said I would officially like to join, but I would. If I am not in the roster, you could add me.

[Killmojo]

Ok, I've added you.

Ghost, if you read this, make sure you put his name on the roster.

[Ghost]

Ok, I added him.

[Beololol]

Add me =[

[Shayera]

If we should need a forum of our own, take a look here (http://e107.org/news.php). This software is free, relatively easy to use, and they got a massive number of themes.

[Killmojo]

Add me =[

I added you a while ago...

[Beololol]

Oh, lol.

[Pernicious]

Wait. Have I been added?

[Killmojo]

You have now.

[Ghost]

Might take a little bit longer on the site guys sorry :/ lol I can't get my uncle off his computer to come over here. Maybe the next get together my family has which is fathers day I believe, but don't know what day that is.

[Arkaith]

umm...I would like to apply here, however I am uncertain if I will be playing HL online right when it comes out. this is because of various issues with studies and parents :( . Can I have a 'reserve' spot ( If there's a thing like that).

edit: Alright! BTW, it would be worth putting down my current nick : s3r3n1ty. Arkaith is old-I dont really use it anymore. I did when I created my HG forums account. sry if this is a hassle.

[Kyndig]

Very nice Ghost! Add me if it is not too late.

[Killmojo]

Ok Arkaith, that will not be a problem specific to you. Many people may become inactive before the game comes out. If that happens, we will just drop them from the roster. For now, however, you can join. Glad to have you on board.

[RiF]

EDIT: um nvm i should really look at the roster first >.< lol

oh and theres already a dkp progrm up and running thats used for EQ but you can use it for neting check out www.rifguild.com/dkp for what it looks like(ugh doesnt work :S let me see heh)....just dont know where to get it, i could prolly find the name. I think its just called EQdkp....

But since like its only a 6 person instance its going to be hard to keep track and record dkp :S

[HerrStoy]

Jaysus. How many people are there now? I want a list... again :D Which is why getting a site up would be cool. Go, ghost! Go!

[Killmojo]

We may not even use DKP. Flagship has said that the looting system hasn't been put into place yet. Because of this, we really cannot commit to anything.

[SgtPepper]

uhm... whats DKP? i made a cursory glance at the other posts to try to ascertain what it meant, but i cant seem to figure it out.

[Killmojo]

It's an acronym of Dragon Kill Points. For every run a member of a guild comes to, they get a certain amount of points. Points are given for killing bosses, arriving on time to a scheduled session, or performing guild-centred tasks. Once a member has enough points, they can bid on certain items that drop. In a quick example:

Player A turns up to a raid on time to a raid. The instance is cleared, and points are given out. Player a earns 1 dkp for arriving on time, 3 dkp for killing each of four instance bosses, and 5 dkp for killing the main raid boss. It is player A's first time in the instance, and now has a total of 18 dkp.

Player B, on the other hand, has been raiding for a month, waiting for a specific item to drop. He has amassed 60 dkp so far.

The item Player B is after drops, and Player A wants it. Player B has a large advantage in dkp and will outbid Player A. If they had rolled on the item, Player A had just as much a chance to receive the item as Player B, who has put a constant effort for the guild, and deserves it more.

So much for a simple example... DKP is used because it rewards those who raid often and help out the guild, while players who play and raid less will still accumulate dkp, and will get their items soon enough.

[SgtPepper]

To be perfectly honest i don't like the idea or the acronym... It just makes the guild a little too serious.

Firstly: I definently dislike being required to play at a certain time. Can't stand that stuff. I have to be in the right "mood" to play video games, and i'm not in the mood all the times. (please dont say "thats what she said")

Secondly: Player B helped the guild more, but he didn't neccesarily help on the raid as much. And more importantly if player A got it then its not really fair to make him give it away.

Thirdly: Items are completely random. Even the most elite of items are randomized. So how could player b even know that he wants the item. He knows he wants a certain type of item but not that item in particular.

[Ghost]

I still havent thought of a nice "news" kind of page for the beginning of our site. If anyone has any creative idea or if you can write me brief description of the guild for me to use that would be great... and it'll be up sunday my uncle is coming over for fathers day.

[Killmojo]

SgtPepper: It is by no means a perfect system, but, in my experiences, it really is the most fair when it comes to large scale content. Such content may not even be in the game, and even if it is, we still have no idea how looting will be handled. There is a good chance there will be no need for any system at all.

Ghost: Currently I'm working on both a quick description and a set of rules (just some general conduct rules to make everyone feel welcome). They should be ready about the same time as the page is up.

[Dazed and Confused]

I know I'm new here (really new), but I'm so down for this if you'll have me.

[Shayera]

I know I'm new here (really new)

Welcome to Hellgate Guru... ;)

[SgtPepper]

Hmm... well let me ask you: What is your favriote baseball team. And let me warn you. There is only one correct answer.

[Dazed and Confused]

I don't know why, but I think I'm going to have to go with the Cubs...it came to me in a dream.

[Ghost]

Baseball is boring imo :P

[Beololol]

Baseball sucks my ass

[Ghost]

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I MISSED ANYONE...(yes were getting kinda full :P
Blackfish
Brandnewyork
Beololol
BDStyle
Dazed and Confused
Delacroix
Eternalchaos
FunkOnCrack
Ghost
Herrstoy
Holy One
Illo
Inferi
Jdizzle
Killmojo
Killer Poptart
Kyndig
Majpain
Maverick
Nex Angelus
Onyx Abyss
Pheonix
Pdvinenz
Pernicious
Raziel
RiF
S3R3N1TY
SgtPepper
Shayera
Silver
Thanatopsis
Zeremi
13hades13

[Beololol]

What is the guild/clan limit?

[Shayera]

What is the guild/clan limit?

What limit?

[Beololol]

How many people can you have

[Majpain]

Ghost you missed me :'(

[SgtPepper]

The cubs would be correct.

For those of you who dislike baseball... Go play soccer with all the other weirdos.

*Ha i showed them!*

[Shayera]

How many people can you have

I already answered that: what limit? (aka there's none so far)

[Killmojo]

Several things:

- I don't really like baseball, but it's not really popular here.

- We do not know the clan limit yet. We will be getting as many as the game will allow.

- Ghost can you also add Dazed and Confused?

[Arkaith]

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I MISSED ANYONE...(yes were getting kinda full :P


Add me pls. But add me as s3r3n1ty-thats my new nick. Or say Arkaith in brackets if need be(with s3r3n1ty) :)

[Stewza]

question. How serious is this guild like will you be mad if i miss a big raid?

[Blackfish]

Well firstly I doubt there will be "big raids" to speak of in HGL - from what they're saying they're moving pretty far away from the standard MMO tactic of having all the high-end content revolve around things you can only do with 39 other friends. So I wouldn't worry about that :D

Also, it doesn't look like we're going to be serious to that point anyway, even if it were an issue. So yay for that!

[Eternalchaos]

Yeah .. sadly I missed the update news about them taking out the big raids ; - ; .. i was looking forward to watching those hehe..

and we should be serious.. hard core.. miss a big event.. you get stripped down to your undies and beaten by spagetti until you cry..

[gino]

hey guys I was just wandering if I could be on the list to join Vae Victis?

[Killmojo]

hey guys I was just wandering if I could be on the list to join Vae Victis?

Sure, if you want.

Yeah .. sadly I missed the update news about them taking out the big raids ; - ; .. i was looking forward to watching those hehe..

and we should be serious.. hard core.. miss a big event.. you get stripped down to your undies and beaten by spagetti until you cry..

I can see why this would be a good idea.

[Ghost]

Ok the site is up, BUT I still need a domain name. Right now, the site is fifthnail.tk but I'm trying to get a new one that isn't free and crapy like that one. Which would you guys want?:
vaevictisguild.com
vaevictisguild.net
vvguild.com
vvguild.net
OR let me know if you have any others in mind that I could try.

[Shayera]

vaevictisguild.com would be fine by me :)

Nice banner - i like it!

[Dazed and Confused]

Nice work Ghost, I really appreciate it. I like vaevictisguild.net, but any would be fine by me. As for as the spaghetti beatings go...can't wait.

-Note: looks like vvguild.com is already taken by another vae victis guild.

[SgtPepper]

You know what would be nice? If we had enough competent guild members that at any time you could just say "Hey guys, wanna tackle the biggest baddest mofo on the block?" and then thirty other people say "count me in"

[Shayera]

Count me in :mrgreen:

[Ghost]

Oh, and some of the pages are just the main page cuz idk what to put on them just yet. I'll be fixing them soon though. Still trying to work on the buttons as well. Can't seem to make them simple links by typing the words out without having it blue and underlined :/ So im trying to use images that blend in with the background.

[Killmojo]

Excellent work Ghost! As for the name, I think it would be best to go for vaevictisguild.com, as it is the simplest, and easiest to remember.

[Ghost]

If you visit the site I am currently working on, please go to the DKP page and tell me which top thing you like better: The main one with the cool writing on the banner, or the one on the DKP page with the plain writing on the banner(which is easiest for me :P

[Dazed and Confused]

When I go to fifthnail.tk I get a blank page with a banner that says "Fifth Nail Band" am I missing something?

[Ghost]

Yea it takes a few seconds to load. That was my old band lol. Heres the best link to use no ads or anything just temp. until the new domain name though. http://70.84.178.42/%7Efifth/index.html (Or click my signature I made that a link now too)

Also, let me know if you want your contact info on the contact page.

[HerrStoy]

The page looks skewed on my lappy. In 1024x768 on firefox the banner is way to the right and the links are centered. Just to inform. I could take a screenie if you want.

[Ghost]

Alright I'll try to fix it.

[Dazed and Confused]

The page looks skewed to me too (it just needs to be centered), I definately prefrer the text of the links on the homepage, but then again I'm not the one putting the work in. We have plenty of time until the game launches so don't hurt yourself too much working on this webpage. I can't stress enough how much I appreciate all of the work your dedicating to this guild.

You are more than welcome to add my email to the guild webpage: AnthonyVen@SbcGlobal.net

[Killmojo]

Hmm... you had better add my email to the contact info I guess...
alias_email@hotmail.com
The site looks good so far. When it's done I'll see I can get Sol to link it on the guilds page.

[StreetCleaner]

How to I go about joining I would really like to get in on this.

[Killmojo]

Just say that you want to join. As long as you stay active you can remain a member.

[StreetCleaner]

Ok then I would like to join :)

[Stewza]

Count me in!

And if there is a Canadian Server Ill help lead it if theres already a canadian on here or lead it myself if theres not!

[pdvinenz]

Wow, the guild really growing. Hope most of you are with us till the release!

[SgtPepper]

Oh they will be... or else they'll be getting a visist from the hellgate fairy...

[Majpain]

Are you kidding I have nothing else to do until it arrives.Right now Im playing RTW.

[Ghost]

Alright I've been working on the site with little success :P Trying to make everything center no matter what comp youre on but can't seem to do so. But check the site out and see if it's working alright...let me know if I need to change anything. Also, it's not updating on Mozilla as I update the site, but it's updating on Internet Explorer...I'm just guessing Mozilla has a slow updating speed idk

[thanatopsis]

well active is relitive as of right now we have Ghost who is going above and beyond by seting up the website for us. and then the rest of us are just randomly comenting on the progression of the site.

which happens to look good.

[StreetCleaner]

I agree website looks good I love the banner :D

[Dazed and Confused]

I agree, but there isn't much we can do but sit idly by and add our input until the game launches.

[Arkaith]

The layout is fine on my comp. Great banner. And i reckon a watermarked backround would make it look even better :p . Good work.

[Ghost]

Watermarked?

[Arkaith]

@Ghost: You know when the background is semi-transparent.

[SgtPepper]

Huh... i cant really imagine what that would look like.

[Shayera]

Huh... i cant really imagine what that would look like.

Here you get an example :mrgreen:

Normal image
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2646/prophezeiung01mini2rm.jpg

"Watermark"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9330/prophezeiung01amini6pw.gif

[jdizzle]

a nice banner for the whole perimeter of the screen would be nice, also
my contact email is
jdizzlesk8frizzel@hotmail.com
you should fix the tab title to get rid of // after each title
-roster//
-contacts//
-news//
-DKP//

[SgtPepper]

Meh, i guess i dont like watermarking in that case. Dont do it!

[OnyxAbyss]

All images are pushed to the right. This happens at both my computers at home and one at school, so it can't be just coincidence. Oh, and there is no space in my name. Just OnyxAbyss.

[Eternalchaos]

Personally I like the normal image better.. Watermarked is a bit to bright and faded. Takes away from the creapy look :(

[Shayera]

It all depends what you use it for, normally a "watermarked" picture is used in the background, with something in front of it. If i would have used the "normal" picture, the script would have been almost invisible... ;)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1781/prophezeiung02mini4mp.gif

[SgtPepper]

Just change the font color so that it stand out..?

[Killmojo]

I think the watermarked idea is something that can be used somewhere certainly, but I'm not too excited by the idea of it on the banner.

[Delacroix]

I will play in the Brazilian Guild, so theres no Delacroix for Vae Victis.

[Shayera]

Just change the font color so that it stand out..?

Won't do if you need it in black and white ;)

[SgtPepper]

I will play in the Brazilian Guild, so theres no Delacroix for Vae Victis.

Traitor! I now curse thee with the most wretched long lasting curse known to man. THE BILLY GOAT CURSE!!

[Arkaith]

...but I'm not too excited by the idea of it on the banner.

There has been a misunderstanding- I meant have a watermarked background. The banner should remain as it is. :p

[Killmojo]

Ohhh ok. Then go right ahead. Do what you must.

Delacroix, we will miss you :'(

[Ghost]

I'll be fixing the site up bery soon but as of now my comp is messed up and all the website info is on there...but it will be fixed soon :)