anyone else feel a little let-down by the visuals?

[freekedoutfish]

I know visuals dont make a game, but by comparison to other (older) games on the market HGL doesnt really give us anything nice.

Compared to Guild wars, which is nearly 3 years old now, HGL looks absolutely rubbish while GWs looks amazing still on full settings. I would have just expected a bit more from a game released in late 2007 and running on DX10!

I have the game up to max levels and running on DX10 and.... its nothing amazing tbh!

And before you say it, yes i could just go back to GWs but its got boring after 2 years!

[Asuka Kazama]

GW just has amazing details for the game it is. The character models are great, the armor nicely done and of course the scenery is quite cool. Eye of the North indeed brought new life into the game. DX10 is still very new so it's kinda hard to say what DX10 can truly do. I think HG:L looks pretty good but it's key faults are the lack of tile sets.

[Molehs_Mum]

And GW doesn't have 'motion blur' ...

[the_wolf]

Don't let Sp3tsnAz in here :p.

[lockwoodx]

I notice a big difference between Dx10 visuals and Dx9 visuals regarding HGL. Sadly, Dx10 still laggs too much to make it viable to play in, and with the modeling bugs it doesn't matter anyways because the game will always render everyone else in low quality lol.

[The Fury]

Eye of the North killed Guild Wars for me, I can't remember the last time I played an expansion that was that devoid of originiality, not to mention it turned the game into a giant rep grind, and most of the new arrmor looked exactly the same as some of the older armors just a few more spikes here, and maybe a slightly different coloring scheme.

[freekedoutfish]

I notice a big difference between Dx10 visuals and Dx9 visuals regarding HGL. Sadly, Dx10 still laggs too much to make it viable to play in, and with the modeling bugs it doesn't matter anyways because the game will always render everyone else in low quality lol.

See I didnt notice any difference at all. To me it looks a bit rubbish in both DX9 and DX10. Its honestly like looking at a game I played on my xbox about 5 years ago.

As for the motion blure thing... thats a bit overrated. Yes it looks nifty and distant objects looking blury looks a bit cool.... but it doesnt make up for the glaring graphical lowness at close range.

Maybe im just being picky, but when we have games like unreal 3 being released, which look very nice and which still run on low spec machines... it seems a bit rushed.

[freekedoutfish]

Eye of the North killed Guild Wars for me, I can't remember the last time I played an expansion that was that devoid of originiality, not to mention it turned the game into a giant rep grind, and most of the new arrmor looked exactly the same as some of the older armors just a few more spikes here, and maybe a slightly different coloring scheme.

GWEN wasnt perfect, but it kept me playing for another few months before I completely bailed and moved onto HG! But it was still a hell of alot nicer to look at then this thing we've been lumped with.

There are places you can stand in GWs and just look out and think "OMG how nice does that look".... have u done that once in HGL?

[Asuka Kazama]

Well with HG:L you kinda have to expect dark and dreary considering we're dealing with a world that is set in a post demonocalypse time frame however I'm sure rehashing tile sets over and over saved a bit on development time. There are some nice places like the British Museum and that place you take the portal to to talk to that one person. Stonehenge should liven things up though.

[lockwoodx]

Well with HG:L you kinda have to expect dark and dreary considering we're dealing with a world that is set in a post demonocalypse time frame however I'm sure rehashing tile sets over and over saved a bit on development time. There are some nice places like the British Museum and that place you take the portal to to talk to that one person. Stonehenge should liven things up though.

I'd like it even darker considering how they did a nice job with the lighting effects and shaders.

[Kriptoniter]

didnt like gwen that much ; nothing special about it and the dungeons are not that great DoA is much harder and much more rewarding. and the new armors arent that good except for 2. but the graphics on guild wars are much better (even if u put in both games the graphics very low still Gws graphics are better).crysis on dx10 owns, but hgl doesnt have that bad graphics i mean look at WoW thats is what is BAD.
one Q : is stonehenge only for Subs

[lockwoodx]

one Q : is stonehenge only for Subs

yes

[Asuka Kazama]

More use of the flash light would have been cool and would also add more freakishness factor.

[freekedoutfish]

didnt like gwen that much ; nothing special about it and the dungeons are not that great DoA is much harder and much more rewarding. and the new armors arent that good except for 2. but the graphics on guild wars are much better (even if u put in both games the graphics very low still Gws graphics are better).crysis on dx10 owns, but hgl doesnt have that bad graphics i mean look at WoW thats is what is BAD.
one Q : is stonehenge only for Subs

Yet take a look at mythos and (ok its a different perspective and the graphics are even less developed) but it looks FAR nicer!

You have to wonder what happened between them creating mythos as a test-bed and actually starting work on hellgate.... its like something just went awol.

Mythos showed their mechanism, including graphics, had alot of potential. Yet where did it all go? Just look at spell animations in mythos and compare them to fire spells in HGL. Its pathetic the effects we get HGL!!

In mythos when you cast a fire spell, you get a huge immense blast of fire which looks really cool. In HGL you get a few sparks of fire and what looks like sparkles infront of you that go "pip poof".

There are even mechanisms like reseting skill points for a free which werent put into HGL. I mean right now im stood in a town subway in HGL looking at another player and thinking "hm......ok.... those textures are a bit off".

And this is with an nvidia 8800 GTX, 2.+ quad core and 4gb memory! I feel a bit... ripped off.

Dont get me wrong, the playability rocks and I expect alot of updates when stone henge comes out (hoping free players get access to that). and hoping some visual updates might come along too.

[freekedoutfish]

yes

In otherwords... free players are getting nothing else in terms of content from this point on.

[HerrStoy]

In otherwords... free players are getting nothing else in terms of content from this point on.

Yes. And they were never supposed to get anything more. : )

On topic though: I agree with the whole DX9 vs DX10 thing. It looks slightly better with some things, but even with DX10 and AA on max it looks worse than max on DX9. You can't really look at the fact that it runs like dingleberry ass, which it does, but have to look at the actual visuals. It looks nicer, but even with AA on max the edges look pretty bad. When I turn AA on I expect straight lines to look like straight lines no matter how angled they are. This just doesn't work in DX10 and I can't for the life of me figure out why that is.

DX9 looks good with AA, albeit the rest of it looks worse, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. Playing with max AA on has spoiled me and I can hardly look at edges at all. Freaks me out. : (

The lack of tilesets isn't directly connected with the overall graphics of the game(to me), but it has to do with atmosphere and all that. And I have come to areas and went "omg this is awesome". Necropolis mainly. I loved the way it looked and felt very Diablo 2. Only bad thing about that was when I turned on the game music, which was good, it only played for a minute or two and then it went silent again. Wasted potential, but the tileset is still complete and utter love and nostalgia for me.

[The Fury]

Considering the fact that GW didn't kill your machine, and still managed to look absolutely stunning is quite the feat, considering AN didn't use any overly fancy effects, or complex rendering processes. I still believe it to be one of the most graphically impressive games I have ever played, and all of these companies pushing out titles that are little more than engine demos *cough* Crysis *couch* could learn a thing or two from AN. I digress, let's get back to HG:L

I'll agree that HG:L isn't as visually impressive as it should be considering the demands it puts on your system. It's got it's fair share of graphical quirks, and inconsistencies nobody is really going to argue that. HG:L's primary graphical strengths are it's monster models/textures (player models are decent, but nothing special) and the models/textures of the weapons and armor and I believe HG:L pulls these two aspects off as well as anybody, if not better than most. When it comes to enviroments, and overall "oooh" and "aaah" a lot of it is mediocre at best (there are some enviroments, and locales that are well done, but on the whole it's very incosistent) Stonehenge and the future content updates should help to address this for the most part, as for ability and spell effects? I'd also like to see them up the flash factor a little, but even in their current state they get the job done, so it shouldn't be a massive priority. Mythos has demonstrated that this engine can pull off some nifty little particle effects, so I'm hoping we see more of them in the future for HG:L.

[HerrStoy]

Hey, another example of something that looks incredibly good on a "slow" computer is Granado Espada or "Sword of the new world" as they call it now. Free to play. Check it out.

It rapes your face with bloom too, if you like that. I don't so I turn the bloom down, but it still looks fricking incredible. : )

Aaaand what I forgot to mention in my post above is that I don't think HGL runs good enough to look like it does. It's like an ugly chick thinking she's the most beautiful girl in the world. Aaaand disregard this, all you feminist gamers. If you're out there/here. : (

[Asuka Kazama]

Actually I play SEA Granado Espada (sGE) and it runs flawless for me. K-2 killed Sword of the New World heh.

[lockwoodx]

Actually I play SEA Granado Espada (sGE) and it runs flawless for me. K-2 killed Sword of the New World heh.

I heard it was just a korean grind fest. What do you think of it?

[Corth]

There are places you can stand in GWs and just look out and think "OMG how nice does that look".... have u done that once in HGL?

I've done that twice actually. In picadilly with dx10, and death's city was just really cool.

I played GW since it's release, and it is a visually nice game, but it turned into cookie cutter crap. The only way you could play the fun area's was with a group, and to get a group, you had to use a certain 8 skills out of 450 or so that you had to choose from. Fun... At least in this game you can go it alone if you don't want to put up with it. Back to the graphics...

I've noticed a few dx10 games not really looking up to par though, UT3 has this weird issue with downsizing textures to make things look pixelated. Nothing like the screenshots on their site. Alot of people complain about it. Still pretty fun though. Crysis well... on medium it freezes up my comp, and slide show's aren't pretty to me, so it definitely gets a failing grade (I have a core2duo system with an hd2600pro, I figure medium should at least work...).

If hellgate let me down by the visuals, it was only by a little bit, other dx10 releases, have let me down by alot more.

[lockwoodx]

Crysis has terrible multiplayer. UT3 was more of the same we've seen for the past 10 or so years so it bombed.

[Sp3tSnAz]

Don't let Sp3tsnAz in here .

:( What did I do this time? :p

Guessing it's because I said that Im more of a fan of gameplay than graphics? :p

Either way, I think the main reason for making the graphics not as high as many of the newer games is because FSS wanted to cater to a lot of the Diablo crowd (they even said so in many videos) whereby they wanted to cater to those people that maybe played diablo then never really upgraded their systems and stopped gaming... FSS wanted to try to get a lot of those people to get into Action RPGs again (Although I don't think they achieved it even in a graphical term, as their reqs seem to eat up most systems as they are now....)

But yeah, their aim was to try to cater for a whole range of systems and not just concentrate on the high end machines, and with some better coding which they will hopefully fix with time, the game should run a lot better on many more older systems imo...

[The Fury]

I have played Sword of the New World and it an eye pleaser, and some of the game play concepts are neat, it is a standard Korean grinder though, admittedly it is one of the most enjoyable Korean grinders I have played.

Corth I'll echo that on GW as far as it being cookie cutter, sure you had hundreds of skills to play with, but like you said unless you had what was deemed to be THE setup for your perspective profession you were fucked when it came to grouping. I primarily played an Elementalist and no group would touch me unless I had a Searing Flames build (which is a highly effective but stupidly boring build) or in some areas an Air spiker (fun to play in Random Arena, or Alliance Battles, but again, pretty fucking boring in PvE) Even though though some of the alternative builds I ran on my ele were just as viable as Searing Flames, the community in GW is full of imbeciles who cling mercilessly to the tit of flavor of the month (or year) builds.

I haven't run into this problem with HG:L but I've only grouped in normal so that might be why, or maybe people don't care. I've only been asked what build I ran once on my guardian, and it was a simple enough answer

"I play a stun everything for 3 years, and then smash anything still standing dead build"

[freekedoutfish]

Corth I'll echo that on GW as far as it being cookie cutter, sure you had hundreds of skills to play with, but like you said unless you had what was deemed to be THE setup for your perspective profession you were fucked when it came to grouping. I primarily played an Elementalist and no group would touch me unless I had a Searing Flames build (which is a highly effective but stupidly boring build) ...


In all the time I played GWs I experienced that maybe twice and told them PUG to go shove themselves if they expected me to conform. I also play an ele in GWs and I only started using SF because it worked well. I avoided using it for ages and ive found that now, no one is all that bothered.

You only really experience that kind of attitude in elite areas in GWs and if you insist on playin in areas full of elitism, that is bound to happen.


I've never liked the arguement that GWs turned into a cookie cut game, because I never once, personally used anything cutty cut and I played what I wanted and I lasted 2 years without hassle.


The other issue is... are you suggesting HGL wont go the same way? You have even less choice and ability to mix your build up in this game, compared to hundreds of skills in GWS. You cant even change your skill points or attributes in HGL (hoping you will be) so you cant experiment. Its set in concrete once your make your choice.

How can you complain about being limited in GWs by attitudes, when your limited in fundimental skills in HGL anyway. All Summoners will end up as MMs, evokers will end up nukers and gaurdians will become tanks etc etc etc. It will happen here too and probably more so!

Ive never loved game that use the whole skill tree mechanism and dont let you change once you've chosen because it limits what builds you can use. GWs hit in on the nail with their skill point system.

Anyway....ive come to kind of like the visuals now, if not still annoyed I cant enter a town and look at another char in full resolution.

[Sieg020]

Mmm I can't agree with you OP. On my rig DX10 1680x1050 all maxed settings medium AA, this game looks light years beyond GW. I've been playing GW since day one back in april 05, while is is VERY pretty, HG:L blows it away graphically.

[Ave]

First up GW is amazing looking tbh, i played it for years and in terms of visuals i have yet to see an MMO which is better (though EvE comes close)

I have an ok computer: 2GB, nVidia 7 series 512MB, dual core....
And i can run GW on pretty much full settings and it does look beautiful.

HG:L however i have to run that on medium/low settings to have a decent non-stuttering fps. On the occasions ive turned those settings up to see what the gfx were like, i have been quite impressed, some of the high res screenshots ive seen are damn nice, with shiny shiny armour and great tiny details like all the mods etc.

I think the difference which people seem to be ignoring is this, GW is a totally static world. Maps never change at all, nothing on the maps can be interacted with apart from specific things integral to the quest/s.

HGL you can shoot and destroy almost all the incidental stuff on the levels aside from solid structural elements, that alone probably account for alot of the graphics problems and the rest is down to the random level generator. And thats not counting all the mods armour pieces it has to render..

Anyone whos played GW think about how static and uninvolved the actual maps are.
For instance in HG:L think about how complex one randomly generated level must be with all those boxes, chests, barrels, shelves, wood planks, debris and the fact the engine can calculate your 250 shots per min and what they hit, bounces off etc etc
Now compare that to GW which has to just place some mobs in set position holders and only calculate hits on creatures, no environmental damage at all.

Thats why it looks better IMO, cause only those with truly beefy rigs can play it at the highest settings with any success.

[lockwoodx]

It's like a bad cartoon where all the animated objects stick out from the background. Nothing really blends well or feels natural.

[underdemon]

dude ur a freak, u gotta stop posting only complaints about HGL, all ur posts Iv seen so far have been crticizing HG saying its shit in one way or another. Dont play it if it sucks for ur standards.
And maybe uv just got shit graphics, Im running the game on slightly more than half the full quality and I get this kind og image quality which I think is great

http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=looklikelargeks4.png

[Ave]

dude ur a freak, u gotta stop posting only complaints about HGL,

You'll get used to him, i cant actually remember the last time he praised one single aspect of the game... and yet he will no doubt reply saying 'I don't hate the game' even though all his posts indicate he quite clearly does.

I am actually begining to think he's a Blizzard employee/spy sent here to sabotage the HG community :)

[underdemon]

I am actually begining to think he's a Blizzard employee/spy sent here to sabotage the HG community

hehe, makes sense :cool:

[lockwoodx]

dude ur a freak, u gotta stop posting only complaints about HGL, all ur posts Iv seen so far have been crticizing HG saying its shit in one way or another. Dont play it if it sucks for ur standards.
And maybe uv just got shit graphics, Im running the game on slightly more than half the full quality and I get this kind og image quality which I think is great

http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=looklikelargeks4.png

The internet is all about opinions. If you have any trouble grasping this concept I suggest you stop using the internet before you hurt yourself ;)

[StreetCleaner]

The internet is all about opinions. If you have any trouble grasping this concept I suggest you stop using the internet before you hurt yourself ;)

I hate this whole "it's the internet so I have the right to be a dick" that lockwood seems to always post when someone has an argument with him.

[the_wolf]

You can't do anything. We can't do anything about it. Here he is KING.

[freekedoutfish]

dude ur a freak, u gotta stop posting only complaints about HGL, all ur posts Iv seen so far have been crticizing HG saying its shit in one way or another. Dont play it if it sucks for ur standards.
And maybe uv just got shit graphics, Im running the game on slightly more than half the full quality and I get this kind og image quality which I think is great

http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=looklikelargeks4.png

I'm a freak because I happen to have pointed out a few things I've disliked about the game? God forbid people in this world dislike stuff and god forbid I post a thread in the forum section dedicated to things you dislike about the game.

As for my graphics: im running it on an nvidia 8800 GTX with 4GB memory and a 2+ quad core processor. Your not really going to get much better power then what I have!

And Ive also stated in some posts (including this one) that I actually think the playability of this game rocks and that its unfortunately let down by the visuals at times. Otherwise its a really good game!

Yes the visuals are lush at some points, but in others they absolutely suck badly! It should be a constant, and not just nice here and there and rubbish in other parts.

And your not really doing yourself any favours if you go around flaming peoples posts and calling them freaks for absolutely sstupid reasons. If you want your opinion to be taken seriously, dont call people freaks.

In future, just for you I will make posts singing the praises of this game and the game company and kiss ass badly! Would you rather that?

[backfir3]

You'll get used to him, i cant actually remember the last time he praised one single aspect of the game... and yet he will no doubt reply saying 'I don't hate the game' even though all his posts indicate he quite clearly does.

I am actually begining to think he's a Blizzard employee/spy sent here to sabotage the HG community :)

Haha, I hear you ;)

Also: freekedoutfish did this for years on guildwarsguru, and it does tend to grate a little. I almost sighed out load when I saw him glaring at me from his HGG avatar ;)

[freekedoutfish]

Haha, I hear you ;)

Also: freekedoutfish did this for years on guildwarsguru, and it does tend to grate a little. I almost sighed out load when I saw him glaring at me from his HGG avatar ;)

You do realise I only use my face in the avatar to annoy people. Especially after the pathetic flames I got in the GWsguru just because I used my KOABD title on my previous one and it apparently meant "I loved myself" and thought "I was elite".

A title which most people now want just so they can get a nice pretty pheonix pet!!!

Its amazing how you leave out mentioning the countless threads I made on the GWsguru praising Anet for long awaited updates and trying to defend them for certain mechanisms they use ingame. While others bashed them for the use of titles and so on.

But nooo, lets only point out the negative threads! Its easier to make me sound bad that way! Was I the only person in GWs who made negative posts about the game? Did no else do that? I can go onto GWsGuru right now and see that 90% of the threads are negative. Mostly all about grind and titles and pve only skills, something I dont agree with and have defended the game over and over and over concerning.

But we'll ignore that shall we!

If you dont want to listen to me or others winge about the game, then dont read threads posted in "plains of despair" which is intended for "Complaints and grievances". That seems common sense to me!

My point in this thread wasnt to completely and utterly bash HGL and (if you actually took the time to read my OP) I said I liked the game and its playability and said its a really good game!

But I forgot that if you dislike one aspect of a game it means you hate the ENTIRE thing. Your not allowed to dislike one aspect and like another. Noooo! Nooo! Bad Simon.. you cant do that!!!

Shall i go away and make a huge long thread about all the stuff I love and then everyone can flame me for being an ass-kisser like they do in GWsGuru if you dare try that one.

Merry christmas and a happy new year all :D

Oooo but the blizzard comment! I actually really cant stand WoW in the slightest. Bad graphics, endless grind to progress and unable to play unless you find a PUG or join an active guild and burning a hole in your pocket if you dont play for a week!

Not my idea of fun! I have friends who work for Blizzard too, who would burn me alive for saying that.

[backfir3]

You do realise I only use my face in the avatar to annoy people. Especially after the pathetic flames I got in the GWsguru just because I used my KOABD title on my previous one and it apparently meant "I loved myself" and thought "I was elite".

A title which most people now want just so they can get a nice pretty pheonix pet!!!

Its amazing how you leave out mentioning the countless threads I made on the GWsguru praising Anet for long awaited updates and trying to defend them for certain mechanisms they use ingame. While others bashed them for the use of titles and so on.

But nooo, lets only point out the negative threads! Its easier to make me sound bad that way! Was I the only person in GWs who made negative posts about the game? Did no else do that? I can go onto GWsGuru right now and see that 90% of the threads are negative. Mostly all about grind and titles and pve only skills, something I dont agree with and have defended the game over and over and over concerning.

But we'll ignore that shall we!

If you dont want to listen to me or others winge about the game, then dont read threads posted in "plains of despair" which is intended for "Complaints and grievances". That seems common sense to me!

Dude, I was poking fun. There's no need to take this so much to heart ;)

[freekedoutfish]

Dude, I was poking fun. There's no need to take this so much to heart ;)

Sorry its the new year thing. Its got me on edge!!! I think im having the male equilivant of PMT or what ever its called.. im not an expert.

Plus the endless "How do I get a hat" in LA has got me frustrated :p, you'l understand that one!!

But I thought I looked rather dashing in my avatar? :(

[backfir3]

Sorry its the new year thing. Its got me on edge!!! I think im having the male equilivant of PMT or what ever its called.. im not an expert.

Plus the endless "How do I get a hat" in LA has got me frustrated :p, you'l understand that one!!

But I thought I looked rather dashing in my avatar? :(


Haha, you look dashing enough :p

Honestly, your best bet here is to respond to the trolls with a cheeky wink or two, long winded rants back at them will more likely give yourself a stress and detriment your cause. And the PoD has its fair share lurking under the bridges.

Regarding the festival hats, you have my fullest empathy ;)

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On topic: the points Ave made in post #27 are spot on, imo. One of his main points in particular: That this game uses destructible objects means the overall effect won't be as watercolour pretty as GWs.

Ave articulated the rest well enough already.

[freekedoutfish]

Haha, you look dashing enough :p

Honestly, your best bet here is to respond to the trolls with a cheeky wink or two, long winded rants back at them will more likely give yourself a stress and detriment your cause. And the PoD has its fair share lurking under the bridges.

Regarding the festival hats, you have my fullest empathy ;)

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On topic: the points Ave made in post #27 are spot on, imo. One of his main points in particular: That this game uses destructible objects means the overall effect won't be as watercolour pretty as GWs.

Ave articulated the rest well enough already.

Have you ever known me not to give as good as I get get :-P, whether it be with bad spelling and grammar (no dout I spelt that wrong)! I'm not one to sit back and just wink.

Maybe that shud be my new year resolution....

[underdemon]

I'm a freak because I happen to have pointed out a few things I've disliked about the game? God forbid people in this world dislike stuff and god forbid I post a thread in the forum section dedicated to things you dislike about the game.

As for my graphics: im running it on an nvidia 8800 GTX with 4GB memory and a 2+ quad core processor. Your not really going to get much better power then what I have!

And Ive also stated in some posts (including this one) that I actually think the playability of this game rocks and that its unfortunately let down by the visuals at times. Otherwise its a really good game!

Yes the visuals are lush at some points, but in others they absolutely suck badly! It should be a constant, and not just nice here and there and rubbish in other parts.

And your not really doing yourself any favours if you go around flaming peoples posts and calling them freaks for absolutely sstupid reasons. If you want your opinion to be taken seriously, dont call people freaks.

In future, just for you I will make posts singing the praises of this game and the game company and kiss ass badly! Would you rather that?


As i sayd ALL the posts Iv seen from you were negative. I mean what do you expect the people reading the thread to do about ur dislikes?
And when u complain about a fukin NPC in the game, like the indian swearing guy, thats just sad, just turn off the fucking volume, hes not actually insulting u, hes "programmed", get some mental help.

The character I get from ur posts of u fits perfectly with ur arrogant face btw.

[freekedoutfish]

As i sayd ALL the posts Iv seen from you were negative. I mean what do you expect the people reading the thread to do about ur dislikes?
And when u complain about a fukin NPC in the game, like the indian swearing guy, thats just sad, just turn off the fucking volume, hes not actually insulting u, hes "programmed", get some mental help.

The character I get from ur posts of u fits perfectly with ur arrogant face btw.

Underdemon I think you need to take a very close look at which forum I posted this thread in. Its called "Plains of despair" and (as strange as this may seem) its where people write threads to complain about the game.

And yet you seem surprised that the content is of a "complaining" nature?

lol!

Anyway you want to talk about whats sad? You seem the one who is incapable of writing a reply without resorting to foul language, calling people freaks and telling them to get "mental help"! You do realise that isnt the best way to gain respect in your views!

Besides the fact that the "swearing" post was actually just a bit of light hearted banter and not intended to be taken seriously. I am well within my rights to be offended by any aspect of this game whether you feel its "sad" or not.

And yes he is "programmed" and guess what that means?

It means a "programmer" can change his behaviour and speach and make him behave and speak in a different way! Its called updating and patching and its usually what happens when the users of software complain about it.

So tell me... what kind of issues ingame would qualify to be "acceptable" and "not sad" in your opinion? I need to know for future reference incase I offend his lord and master with my pathetic and pitterfully pointless gripes!

I mean I could post a thread complaining about how the game causes the BSOD on my PC once or twice a day and I have to resart it to get it to work! Would that qualify as ok? or should I wait until my actual PC blows up and THEN I can complain!

Oh but wait, then I would have to endure my non-subcription help service which would probably take a week to get help!!!

[underdemon]

u dont get it, as I sayd u seem to post almost ONLY in the plains of despair. i use the "foul" language to make myself clear, and as of "respect" of my views, none is needed from u, since u dont have MINE.

U see, it is obvious HGL has been prereleased and isnt fully done, thats why they have so many updates and patches so often, theyr finishing it now, hence ur threads are just statting the obvious. be patient and in time the game will round up to ur expectations.

As for the "swearing guy", noone else seems to mind him, sine u only have to talk to him if u choose, and only in a very small duration of the game, the fact that it bother U, IS SAD.
Hm, but what am I doing arguing with u, ur obviously just gonna reply with something similar that u did up to now, and Ill do the same, etc etc.

I just hope I dont coe across any of ur posts again, at least not in the plains

[freekedoutfish]

U see, it is obvious HGL has been prereleased and isnt fully done, thats why they have so many updates and patches so often, theyr finishing it now, hence ur threads are just statting the obvious. be patient and in time the game will round up to ur expectations.

And if we dont point out issues in the "prereleased" version, how will the get fixed?

And if im stating the obvious, what was the point of you posting in the thread just to say "your a freak". There wasnt one, other then trying to get attention and caused a scene.

Your in no position to now go "oh lets stop the bickering, because we will just repeat ourselves" after your the one started the flaming and started the agro and the sad attempt to feel superiour.

If you dont want to bicket in threads and start pointless arguements, then DONT call people freaks, or suggest they need mental help or call them sad for expressing an opinion.

If you want to start something then deal with it and dont turn it around onto me!

[Jugalator]

In otherwords... free players are getting nothing else in terms of content from this point on.
Content updates ARE what subscriptions are mostly for. This has been clear from their released info a long time before the game was released. The point to subscribe is to get content updates, and a few extras above that.

So no, you won't get many free expansion-like updates, if that was what you were looking for. And nothing will change that, it's their business model.

[lockwoodx]

I hate this whole "it's the internet so I have the right to be a dick" that lockwood seems to always post when someone has an argument with him.

lol it was hardly an arguement, but rather a difference of opinions. I'm sorry it's not as clear as day to you as it is to others, hence my comment about opinions.

Just because my opinion makes me a "dick" in your eyes does not mean you have to be ignorant enough to label me one, especially when the posts origionate in the complaint forum. That just makes it look all the more silly when sad people take the internets too seriously. "Dicks" are the kind of people who take things personally then go around handing out bad honor like they have some sort of vendetta. I respect opinions and posters even if I don't agree with them and I expect the same, especially in my domain. Now who feels like the "dick"? ;)

Happy New Years!

[Jugalator]

There are places you can stand in GWs and just look out and think "OMG how nice does that look".... have u done that once in HGL?
Yeah, it happened in Picadilly Circus for me. :) I've been there myself in RL and I must say it was pretty damn cool. ;) "Hey, I've been sitting there!" And yes, it looked nice too, it wasn't just the memory. The neon lights and all were refreshing.

[underdemon]

And if we dont point out issues in the "prereleased" version, how will the get fixed?

And if im stating the obvious, what was the point of you posting in the thread just to say "your a freak". There wasnt one, other then trying to get attention and caused a scene.

Your in no position to now go "oh lets stop the bickering, because we will just repeat ourselves" after your the one started the flaming and started the agro and the sad attempt to feel superiour.

If you dont want to bicket in threads and start pointless arguements, then DONT call people freaks, or suggest they need mental help or call them sad for expressing an opinion.

If you want to start something then deal with it and dont turn it around onto me!


Well u DO need mental help, I didnt start anything, I STATED that ur a freak, u didnt have to respond and I didnt exapect one. Look at the state of u, the way u talk aobviously shows u have nothing better to do and might as well be here for as long as it takes talking shit and getting attention by pointing bad things out about the game.

Now I didnt say its sad pointing things out, for that IS needed for the game probelms to be fixed, but what I sayd is that u dont seem to post much else than that, and THAT makes u a sad freak as Iv sayd before. After all its not like game development is depending on U pointing everything out.

but I shouldnt be saying that should I, I mean its not right laughing at one mentally handicapped, I mean if u take pleasure from that than sure go ahead, as I sayd I only made a sattement and didnt expect to have to come back to this thread, so dont try to make me look as if im "turning around" on u, pff fool.

[edujackass]

hellgate lacks gore, blood splatters, piles of bodys, big groups of d2 like horrifiying monsters.

nothing to do about it.

[freekedoutfish]

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How about you just give it a rest, because you sound like a child in a playground! Next you'l be calling me gay and thinking its an insult! Just drop the "freak" comments and the "mentally handicapped" comments because it makes you sound about 5.

If you can think of an actual reason why my post is pointless without resorting to childish insults and petty attempts at putting me down then go ahead!

I dont mind a debate, but when people cant do any better then "your a freak", "your sad" and "you need mental help" to back their arguement up, then you might aswell fling a fish around the room because its just as effective.

Give me a decent reason why I or anyone else should for any good reason, not think that an NPC who constantly swears isnt a little bit excessive?

Also give me a reason without the use of childish name calling or words, to explain why myself or others arent allowed to comment on the bad graphics ingame?

Although you just said I do have every right to point out issues with the game, and yet the issues im pointing out arent good enough for "you". Is that the crunch of it?

[underdemon]

Dude your turning things around and putting words into my mouth, or just saying half the things I sayd to make it look as u say it, which is just what I sayd will happen. I called u a freak and clearly explained why u are one, same goes for the "other".

U urself said the thread about the swearing guy wasnt serious cause u realised how foolish and indeed CHILDISH it is to get affected by that. U could have pointed it out as a discussion, just for people to have fun talking about the weird swearing guy, but u clearly stated that he affects u, doesnt sound like a normal person to me. etc etc etc, OF COURSE ur open to a debate, as I said before, ur enjoying this kinda shit, complaining and arguing, well I dont have the time to talk to a close-minded fuck like u, so thisll prob be my last post on this thread.

[backfir3]

so thisll prob be my last post on this thread.


We can only hope...

[Corth]

hellgate lacks gore, blood splatters, piles of bodys, big groups of d2 like horrifiying monsters.

nothing to do about it.

ooh, that's right, the gore let me down! cause there wasn't any... I've already stated in another thread about the original diablo and the butchers room.

That room made me fear the butcher on a psychological level, not just the fast attack speed and numerous health potions I needed to take him down. If I had a visual sense of what might happen to me if I fail - not just a limp body on the ground - then I'd get much more into the game.

But also... lets keep this on topic. If you guys want to flame each other, do it through pms, or ignore the others posts, because it's not very constructive and any devs who might be reading this would probably get bored of the bickering. So how about getting back on topic? ;)

[Lonethar]

I totally agree. HEAR HEAR! PM each other. I can promise noone wants to hear you two mash your keyboards at each other....

And Diablo really was a great game. Isnt it funny how my FAVORITE games were all made about 10 years ago or so? It tells me SOMETHING needs to be done to get that feeling back. The graphics and raw computing power then was LAUGHABLE compared to now but the games IMO were more enjoyable...generally....

Im not making cuts to HGL or new games per se...I have almost ALL my friends agreeing with me...

Anyone else feel this way?

EDIT: Could this be nostalgia? I wont rule that out. But...still....

[freekedoutfish]

Mate, just for a split second think about what i've said 10 times now....

I dont have the time to talk to a close-minded fuck like u, so thisll prob be my last post on this thread.

...stop using such abusive language and being so aggressive and acting like a child and I will be more then willing to listen to you opinion. But if you insist on continuing to use words like "freak" and lines like "fuck like you" then Im not going to listen.

Talk to people without respect or you get none back! Is that so hard to grasp?

[Darkfighter]

Children can swear and talk inteligentaly on a forum?! OMG, stop using that as your main insult. You got told now suck it up.

[kaellman]

Totally agree with some of mr.fishs earlier posts. What will this all become- both game-play and visualwise. Guildwarez gives you 100ds of skills while Lolgate gives you only a few. Will very good grappix make up for the limited character variations when we've figured it all out? Right now there are thousands of questionmarks left intentionally unanswered.

What will make this game worth it when its all figured out?? Grappix?

[lockwoodx]

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7370/popcorn2lgx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us).... anyone?

This is just starting to get good. :)

[Darkfighter]

Rofl the popcorn is 'nutritious' i love to see the day that happens.

[Tsuyu]

Rofl the popcorn is 'nutritious' i love to see the day that happens.

Well, popcorn is in the very core just heated corn. It's all the gunk we put on it that's probably not so 'nutritious'. :eek:

[lockwoodx]

Rofl the popcorn is 'nutritious' i love to see the day that happens.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6416/oldcameladhd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nutritious and good for your health!

[kaellman]

Some one get The Purifier. This thread is getting farked.

[Tsuyu]

That Doc up to the left checking his patient's breathing. The irony.

[deepfriedspam]

GWEN wasnt perfect, but it kept me playing for another few months before I completely bailed and moved onto HG! But it was still a hell of alot nicer to look at then this thing we've been lumped with.

There are places you can stand in GWs and just look out and think "OMG how nice does that look".... have u done that once in HGL?

Yep, on the test server, the first time i entered Stonehenge :D