Elite: Drops are pittiful

[Taiko]

I'm into Act 4 of elite after rerolling. My first character was a pure armour build, no luck, just armour. I manage to finish elite and the drops the whole game from Act1-5 where basic white and green, no uniques and very few legendaries which always seemed to be lvl 9 gear even in Act 5. Syd drop was the worst 3 green and 1 blue all for different classes.

So I reroll and do a luck build. As I said, I'm into Act 4. The drops have been farily standard up until now, with +300 luck I was hoping it would be better. Now in Act 4 I'm having a problem where it COST ME MORE to kill a boss/rare/legendary monster than what I get from loot, espeically the healing ones. I can spend over 1000 paladin in health just to kill the rehealing bosses, and maybe get a one green drop and 90-100 paladin. This makes no sense what so ever. I have absolutely no incentive to keep on going if it costs me more to kill a monster than what I get in drops.

So is it worth it? Is it worth playing this game past Act 4 for ultra crappy drops? I was so disgusted at the Syd drop the first time round that I immediately deleted my character. I'm getting close to do the same with this one even after I have maxed out the +luck stats for my class. Sick of playing a bugged game with very little reward for effort! I can foresee a uninstall maybe the best cure for the game...

[Sunar]

I've not had problems with drops in Elite mode. I've found a couple Uniques, quite a few legendaries and tons of rares and i'm only level 22. I don't even pay attention to +Luck anymore honestly.

I'd blame the RNG. The random number generator is....random! heh

~Sun

[Spearthrower]

This makes no sense what so ever. I have absolutely no incentive to keep on going if it costs me more to kill a monster than what I get in drops.

I agree that this makes absolutely no sense... so why exactly are you doing it? ;)

If in Elite you need the extra firepower to kill stuff in a reasonable time, then surely that's the reason why it's Elite. Not being able to stack up on luck shows that Elite is harder, which is what it was touted to be.

So now you have intentionally gimped your build to favour luck and when it fails, you think there's something wrong with the system?

Unless I am really missing something here, that seems to be your problem not a problem with the game. Please correct me if I am wrong.



So is it worth it? Is it worth playing this game past Act 4 for ultra crappy drops? I was so disgusted at the Syd drop the first time round that I immediately deleted my character. I'm getting close to do the same with this one even after I have maxed out the +luck stats for my class. Sick of playing a bugged game with very little reward for effort! I can foresee a uninstall maybe the best cure for the game...

You deleted your character based on a single drop? :eek:

Come on man, that's so laughably extreme!! :lol:

What exactly were you expecting to drop - a full set of Legendary gear tailored to your specific build? What exactly would have been a good drop to you?

Further, what possible benefit did you get from deleting your character? Surely, just reloading the game and killing him again would have been infinitely more sensible!?!?!?! :rolleyes:


I have a feeling there's some synchronicity going on here and you're getting drops that just aren't good for your particular character, but I bet you are still getting plenty of legendary items. I'll even bet that your character is pretty well decked out, it's just that you aren't finding equipment that you subjectively value higher.... the system however IS chucking out good stuff, it's just that you don't value it.

Seems to me that if this is the case, then it's your expectations that are flawed.


Anyway, the point with Elite is not that it is better drops, just that there are more drops, right? So, over time your chances to get better drops are increased by the higher volume of potential drops.


Don't get upset with me over this, but I have seen this kind of thing written before in many games and I always have trouble grasping why people have unrealistic expectations.

[Kahuna]

I not sure about the actual quality of drops, however I did find that quite quickly into elite I was fitted in full legendary gear with maybe one blue by the time I hit level 20, and thats not just collecting the loot because it was orange, but it definitely was the best gear for me when compared to blues and greens.

I never was really a huge advocate of luck, I have a few pieces here and there, but nothing major as I believe it is not worth sacrificing too many stats to get it. I seem to have decent drops, however I must say that I have gotten a lot of my good legendaries off crafting and quests (weapons mainly), since I seemed to have bad luck with them dropping.

I feel your pain in some drops too, first time I killed syndonai I got just blues (not to mention I died when he did and couldn't respawn, thus couldn't pick up any of the loot, so it was a good thing I guess :P)

I know that finding decent loot for your chatecter is hard, but if you can find a few pieces with good base stats then aug them up a bit, it usually works well. As far as upgraing goes, I only upgrade weapons, as the increase in armor from upgrading isn't really that big, but that may be due to the classes I play.

All I can say is keep at it, you may be having bad luck, but if you can find time to sit down and farm a boss you can usually get some good drops, and if not, then you can try to play in a group if you can find the people, since this way the drops that they get and can't use, you can grab and vice versa (in my experience it works really well).

[backfir3]

Elite drops are fine for me and my friends. I can assure you the game isn't bugged in regards to quality of drops in elite mode, at least for my guild and I.

If you're spending too long taking down bosses, then it's most likely a poor build or a poor application of said build (or both!).

Sometimes a boss will drop you crap, sometimes a normal mob will drop you an elite. It's all part of the random element that's essential for a sense of fun and adventure.

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It reads like you're just unlucky, man. Perhaps you should find yourself a decent guild who share loot about if you're truly having character-killing problems.

[Molehs_Mum]

Yep lvl 10 in Elite and With only a bit of luck 100-150 (what ever happens to be on the armor that is best) I've gotten at least 4-5 oranges and lots of blues. It's all random.

[Eternalchaos]

folks.. remember.. this is Diablo/Diablo2 style here.. Even SACRED style.. Random drops FTW. You can be the luckiest man in the world.. and some noob at level 20 gets the sword you were farming for 10yrs :) Luck justs boosts the odds of stuff dropping; but from what I see the drop system is busted

One character gets 6 lgendary items by level 8? another can't even find blue :)

on a side note.. there is Grey, White, Green(enhanced), Blue (rare), and Orange (legendary)

what other colors are there?

[Rubix3]

yellow - unique

well i have a char killed syd got 1 green item and 25 pal , the same char has also found 3 unique items within 5 mins.
i have a level 23 elite drops are fine , sometimes good sometimes not , found some uniques ect... i dont think its the looting system your just having a run of bad luck which happens

[Acaulescent]

I'm in Act 5, about mid way through and i've been finding lots of gear. I have some luck on the gear but it's not much at all, maybe around 100 or less. Yesterday I found a unique pants for templar and about 7-9 legendaries, some good, some crap. But then there's days where I won't find one decent drop with maybe a legendary or two dropping. It's very random.

In terms of spending on champion mobs..... I don't know what to tell you. I know the regenerating ones are a bitch but... i've still managed to kill everything without Ever having to purchase health injectors. This goes for my Blademaster as well.

Don't know what to tell you.

[Eternalchaos]

hehe I purchased a few health injectors. Mainly because I am a tank and it can take a lil bit to get going (especially cause I dont' have any regen gear yet / spent skill pts) heeh :) so mobs suck for me. 3 pts would solve that for shield spin but *shrug*

[Taiko]

Well thats the bind I'm in ATM. I've been grinding for +luck gear and subsequently have bad armour. My first elite character armour by lvl 21 was near 300 with 45-50% absorb. I could take most of the hits but got poor drops. Now I'm finding that my new lvl 21 character has around 100 armour and 20% absorb. I can't take a hit and I'm not getting any decent drops just greens mainly and some blues. I'm thinking I might redo some Act 3 grinds to lvl up a bit and find some good gear.

Why is it that certain guns only appear in certain Acts. Green/Blue/Orange Arclight thermite rifles seem to only generate during Act 3 and 5?

I also only got one unique so far and it had NO STATS! I thought they had fixed that.

Oh...this is the plain of dispair, I don't want to hear about how ****ing lucky you have been and what great ****ing gear you got. Its not helping me wallow in my irritation at this game. Its a love/hate thing I've got going here. I want to uninstall the game but there's always the next drop, the next boss...

As for D2. At least the drops would scale with the character and monster lvl. I'm getting lvl 7-11 gear from lvl 22 monsters. I realise drops are random but thats just stupid design.

[backfir3]

Well thats the bind I'm in ATM. I've been grinding for +luck gear and subsequently have bad armour. My first elite character armour by lvl 21 was near 300 with 45-50% absorb. I could take most of the hits but got poor drops. Now I'm finding that my new lvl 21 character has around 100 armour and 20% absorb. I can't take a hit and I'm not getting any decent drops just greens mainly and some blues. I'm thinking I might redo some Act 3 grinds to lvl up a bit and find some good gear.


Find a decent guild and ask for some help with your items. I have some legendary equipment you can take a lok at if you're on the EU server. Stuff like that..



Why is it that certain guns only appear in certain Acts. Green/Blue/Orange Arclight thermite rifles seem to only generate during Act 3 and 5?

One reason being they are advanced weapons and only drop later in the game. Other that each area will have certain items assigned to it's drop values so there is an overall even spread etc.. Nothing cryptic about it, really.



I also only got one unique so far and it had NO STATS! I thought they had fixed that.


They did fix the unique bug. Perhaps you're confused with the quest item The Cleanser which has no modifiers or slots.



Oh...this is the plain of dispair, I don't want to hear about how ****ing lucky you have been and what great ****ing gear you got. Its not helping me wallow in my irritation at this game. Its a love/hate thing I've got going here. I want to uninstall the game but there's always the next drop, the next boss...


Obviously if you ask us "Is it worth it.." (see your OP) the only way we can find out is to correlate all information regarding drops and discover if it's an inherent problem with the game or just bad luck.

Try not to kick us in the teeth for giving you exactly what you asked for ;)

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As for the rest, the dorps scale just fine for me. It really does seem that you're simply having horrid luck with the game :(

[Acaulescent]

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[Ave]

Why is it that certain guns only appear in certain Acts. Green/Blue/Orange Arclight thermite rifles seem to only generate during Act 3 and 5?


The same reason that certain weapons dropped in certain areas in D2. Arclites are powerful and having them drop in act1 would be stupid.


I also only got one unique so far and it had NO STATS! I thought they had fixed that.


They did, which version are you playing?


As for D2. At least the drops would scale with the character and monster lvl. I'm getting lvl 7-11 gear from lvl 22 monsters. I realise drops are random but thats just stupid design.

They do... again which version are you playing. Sure sometime you find lower lvl stuff than you but never that low. Ive never experienced (and neither has anyone else ive heard of) experienced this issue, are you playing SP??

Seriously dude wiping a char cause of a bad drop is the ultimate example of throwing your toys out the pram :)
Stick with it, if youd just got to NM shulgoth you could have farmed good gear for ages.

Oh and dont play elite if you find it this frustrating, normal is more fun unless your a guardian.

i've still managed to kill everything without Ever having to purchase health injectors. This goes for my Blademaster as well.


How ?? Please let me in on this secret, BM are junkies, how on earth did you never have to buy ANY health, ok up to act 3 i was same but past that i regularly have to stock up.

[lockwoodx]

I've noticed elite drops to be about 4x as bad, and the leveling 10x as slow as normal.

[Kei]

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Don't hassle the Hof! :p

As for drops in Elite, my experience thus far provides me an indication that its an entire hit or miss affair. Random is putting it mildly too. Yesterday after hours farming I acquired a few greens and blues only. This morning I 1 shot-killed some single pathetic fellbore at the British museum and out popped a unique set of leg armor.

Personally I find it easier acquiring palladium and then just going to our "marketplace" on the SEA forum to purchase and/or trade for the gear I need.

[The Fury]

The Hoff gets nothing but orange! In my very limited experience in elite I can't say things have been drastically worse than normal, but it's still been kind of stingy, but like it's been pointed out already luck (the idea in general) is a crapshoot some people can easily keep scurvy at bay, others can't. Random number generators tend to be fickle whores.

[backfir3]

Level 26 MM in elite mode now, I've just passed The Tower of London, and I've a full set of Legendary armor, two legendary pistols and two rare rifles. I've a stash half full of legendary armor and a couple of legendary items for other classes. Over the passed few levels I've found around 8 or so legendaries and probably close to 20-30 rares.

I'm running with to luck modifiers, both low rare level. I also have a set of high luck armor, but this seems to increase chance of rare instance spans (tunnels + rifts) much more than drops.

[wilebill]

Not elite, just normal mode, I've found +luck tends to give you a few more health injectors, a few more low level palladium drops, but seems to have no effect on item or gear drops.

[lockwoodx]

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If yur gonna start posting funny pics around here I'm gonna have to charge you union dues!

[Acaulescent]

If yur gonna start posting funny pics around here I'm gonna have to charge you union dues!

or maybe it's I who should start charging?



I don't know what the hell you guys have been smoking but you need to share. I've found better gear and way more drops on good gear in elite mode.

But I blame sheer luck and randomization. Even on my new guardian, I've been having decent luck on finding good gear. But then there's times where I don't find a damn thing.

Also, most of the good gear has came from absurd random drops. From ravangers, to crates and even those damn footlockers on the floor have gaven me better drops than almost all the bosses.

[lockwoodx]

or maybe it's I who should start charging?



I don't know what the hell you guys have been smoking but you need to share. I've found better gear and way more drops on good gear in elite mode.

But I blame sheer luck and randomization. Even on my new guardian, I've been having decent luck on finding good gear. But then there's times where I don't find a damn thing.

Also, most of the good gear has came from absurd random drops. From ravangers, to crates and even those damn footlockers on the floor have gaven me better drops than almost all the bosses.



I have found only 2 uniques, and a handful of legendaries in elite. I find ALOT more rares. Normal mode was raining Legendaries like they were goin out of style.