Evoker SUXX ?

[Tuna]

Hi,
I just tried an evoker, and lvl up him to lvl 10, and Oh my god he's a suX0rz , he has less damages than a guardian and way less armor and survivability; his spells does crappy damages (even with dual focus), he has toilet paper armor, i've seen most of the game in the form of a ghost...

Killing bosses takes HOURS, and you just keep running like a chicken.

What's this class, I though he was a "glass canon" with crappy armor and insane damages, but he has crappy damages as well.

He's he gonna be the same at high lvls ?

[Tsuyu]

Funny how you don't mention what spells you are using.

[Shrike]

This thread made me chuckle :P

[Rubix3]

evoker - mage type. Mage type chars spend most of their life running away, have low armor and at low levels do minimal damage. In general mage type come into their own in later levels.

[Tsuyu]

evoker - mage type. Mage type chars spend most of their life running away, have low armor and at low levels do minimal damage. In general mage type come into their own in later levels.


Haha. Now that is funny. Firestorm and Spectral Bolt both do immense damage, even at low levels.

[Carmbas]

Haha. Now that is funny. Firestorm and Spectral Bolt both do immense damage, even at low levels.

But its nothing compared to what other classes can do

[Rubix3]

i am not the one complaining about evokers , i love em , i was talking in general terms or mage type chars. but it ultimately depends on how you skill your char

[Spearthrower]

This is a silly thread.

Surely OP, rather than state that Evokers "suxx"... you should instead state... "I really suxx at playing Evokers, can you give me some tips to improve".

[UberrimaFides]

Hi,
I just tried an evoker, and lvl up him to lvl 10, and Oh my god he SUXX, he has less damages than a guardian and way less armor and survivability; his spells does crappy damages (even with dual focus), he has toilet paper armor, i've seen most of the game in the form of a ghost...

Killing bosses takes HOURS, and you just keep running like a chicken.

What's this class, I though he was a "glass canon" with crappy armor and insane damages, but he has crappy damages as well.

He's he gonna be the same at high lvls ?



Yes, evokers are the suckiest class and do the lowest damage...
In order to have maximum survivability I suggest going Blademaster with Surges...
Yes, that build and class has the HIGHEST survivability of any class...

[Treize]

uhuh.. now see..I stopped playing my Evoker because...it was too easy? Being able to jump (literally jump off an upper level) into 50 some odd enemies all 4+ levels higher then me in nightmare...and come out without a scratch is just way too easy.

[Superb]

I tried an evoker to level 10 too, it was fun but not my style. The wy i played is to rush and kill everything before they killed me. Evokers do awesome damage and bosses go down fast with a few health injectors and running from their melee death (Shulgy :D). Did you actually put any points in skills?

In order to have maximum survivability I suggest going Blademaster with Surges...

Really? I thought Guardians were masters of survival against all odds. Blademasters can be awfully fragile in some situations. A blademaster with high enough SoR and a good shield can take a good beating though and still kill things fast enough. Haven't played guardian so i can't tell for sure.

[Tsuyu]

*cough* He-was-sarcastic-Blade-Master-have-some-serious-survival-issues*cough*

[ty1134]

uhuh.. now see..I stopped playing my Evoker because...it was too easy? Being able to jump (literally jump off an upper level) into 50 some odd enemies all 4+ levels higher then me in nightmare...and come out without a scratch is just way too easy.

What skills were you using?

[Superb]

*cough* He-was-sarcastic-Blade-Master-have-some-serious-survival-issues*cough*

lol i read it again :mrgreen:

Give us a shield and some +armor, get that surge ticking, and we can charge into fights where two swords would be suicide (grappler ftw).

[Tjirp]

heh, i just came out of the game thinking the same think as OP. I was going for spectral lash, but once I finnaly got it (trough hours of ridiculus slow farming) it didnt do as much damage as I hoped.

A Guardian with a splash weapon can tank 10 of the mobs and take em out 10 times faster. I guess you really need to wait until your a high lvl :)

[Tsuyu]

What skills were you using?


Pretty much the general consensus of what is effective. The whole Lightning tree, especially Lightning Field is very good. A spamable AoE you can lay down from long range and moving around? Yes pl0x! :o

A Guardian can AoE pretty good, yes, but he can't control it as good as the Evoker can with Lightning Field. And he has to be in the thick of battle. You can just throw a path of Lighting Fields and watch the enemies drop dead as they charge you through them. Another cool thing is that you can "mod" you spells as an Evoker. For example, put a "adds Spectral damage" mod on a Focus Item, coupled with "Adds Phase attack strength" and your Lightning Fields will actually Phase enemies! Or you can make it Ignite them if you'd like. Or Shield Penetration. Personally I have 100% of that, so all my spells basically ignore enemy shields.

With investment in the Lightning tree like that, you should be able to freely put your other points somewhere else. Personally I'd go for Poison since Venom Armour and Swarm are both quite good. Venom Spirit is quite bad though.

Concentrate Damage is also a very, very good skill when using Lightning Field. Why? Because the damage of your AoE is "put in stone" when you cast it, not afterwards. So if you enter Concentrate Damage, throw down a path of L-fields, you can exit Concentrate Damage mode and the L-fields will keep the damage bonus, burning the enemies who charge you into crisps!

[Tuna]

As I just wanted to try the class, i putted my points almost everywhere till lvl 10, as increasing the lvls just increase the % chances of effects.
I know you're going to say : "OMG NOOB ! USE THE COOKIE CUTTER BUILD !"

Well in NM till lvl 10 you can survive even with a random build with any other class, and here with this evoker, it was my hardest time ever, even with a marksman you can reach lvl 10 without using any skill and without dying...

People seems to think that it's normal and that it gets really better at higher lvl, so i may reroll him in "cookie cutter build mode" just to see.

Evoker doesn't really SUXX it's still playable, but IMO he's weak compared to other classes, the guardian PWN the PvE, the summoner with warper/force/fire eles PWN too, the marksman is not too bad, the blademaster is for masochists, engineer is a bit slow but as a really good survivability, and evoker really SUXX in the beginning and i don't know end-game.

[Rubix3]

People seems to think that it's normal and that it gets really better at higher lvl

thats a standard thing with "mage" characters in games , but its also up to what you enjoy and your playing style.

Increase your Power per second regen rate
Get at least 1 mid range and 1 close range spell up a couple points
Use mods to increase the affects of spells like shield penetration or adding elemental damage.
And be sure that your focus items have decent damage as the weapons damage directly affects your spells damage
oh and be prepared to run when needed always keep a finger on srpint at low levels and blink at higher levels

[Spearthrower]

I'm finding the game really easy as a lowbie Evoker... even before I just picked up a +2 lash weapon.

Maybe the evoker just doesn't suit your playstyle Tuna?

[Tsuyu]

As I just wanted to try the class, i putted my points almost everywhere till lvl 10, as increasing the lvls just increase the % chances of effects.
I know you're going to say : "OMG NOOB ! USE THE COOKIE CUTTER BUILD !"

Well in NM till lvl 10 you can survive even with a random build with any other class, and here with this evoker, it was my hardest time ever, even with a marksman you can reach lvl 10 without using any skill and without dying...

People seems to think that it's normal and that it gets really better at higher lvl, so i may reroll him in "cookie cutter build mode" just to see.

Evoker doesn't really SUXX it's still playable, but IMO he's weak compared to other classes, the guardian PWN the PvE, the summoner with warper/force/fire eles PWN too, the marksman is not too bad, the blademaster is for masochists, engineer is a bit slow but as a really good survivability, and evoker really SUXX in the beginning and i don't know end-game.

Playing only up to level ten, using every single skill you can put points into hardly gives you enough grounds to judge the class. We "pwn" as much as everyone, if not more, once you get the Lightning Field.

[Spearthrower]

Let's also make this clear:

There is no such thing as a cookie cutter Level 10 build :lol:

I personally am going to spread my points round like crazy as I don't care about the utility side so much and skill points dont equate to damage. I'm confident that I will have a rock solid Evoker in the future - my level 10 Evoker is already creaming everything long before it reaches me.

The other funny thing is comparing a level 10 Evoker to a Warper based summoner.... i.e. a Level 20 character. :p

[lockwoodx]

It is spelled sux0rz (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sux0rz)

1. sux0rz

Alternative spelling of "sucks" used by the same kind of people who use h4x0r and r0x0rz.

That game sux0rz.



2. suX0rz

Sucks in leet.

Dude 1: d00d thr33 and d00mbringar316 r teh suX0rz.



3. suX0rZ

Formal way of saying "sucks".

Rather than the common "that sucks" you should say "shit nigga, that fuckin sux0rz."

[masonity]

The great thing in Hellgate is that any class can play any role, almost.

I'm aiming for a long rang Guardian (Gundian), and a close range Evoker (venom armour, broms curse, the first fire spell and maybe the last lightening spell)... And they all work fine.

That is, so long as the skills suit your play style.

hell, the first fire spell can take out Shulgoth in around 4-5 seconds...

[Tuna]

It is spelled sux0rz (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sux0rz)


:D Thank you Mr 1337 grammar expert, i'm gonna edit my posts, or i'm gonna be stabbed in the eye with a rusted teaspoon by angry geeks. :-D

Playing only up to level ten, using every single skill you can put points into hardly gives you enough grounds to judge the class. We "pwn" as much as everyone, if not more, once you get the Lightning Field.

:-D I know, that's why my topic is in the interrogative form and not : "ZOMG EVOKER SUX0RZ !!!!!"

I was really disapointed with my little experience with the evoker and just wanted to know if he was really gonna stay the same or evolve into something more powerful.

[Jeff2006]

well, i just beat the game as an evoker and realize something. if you stick to some of the lower level skills thats all you really need. ignite is the boss killing machine and a level 1 spell has it. hes weak at the beginning but i didnt have any trouble the whole game.. except for dying. which happens if you arent paying attention lol.

[Pernicious]

Evoker comes into his own later in the game.


The OP's name reminded me of Ace Ventura.

Bumblebee tuna!

[Tsuyu]

I wouldn't call level 10... or 15, "later in the game". Just as soon as you get LF things start to change.

[MastaKojo]

Uhhh...I'm playing evoker and guardian in Elite now. Although both are extremly items dependent (guardian with armor and evoker with his dual foci), i can say i have a much more easier time with evoker. High damage with the right skill, good long range spells and good tactics. You can't of coures go in rambo style, but picking off enemies one by one, hide behind cover and just come out to fire. It's a hell lot more like a shooter then a hack and slash.

[Spearthrower]

Putting a question mark on the end of a statement does not make it an interrogative form! :D

Really, it just seems like the class doesn't suit you Tuna. Perhaps you simply didn't try to develop you equipment - obviously an Evoker is very equipment dependent. This is the first class where I actually took the time to run Shulgoth for a bit and picked up a load of rare/legendary stuff - especially 2 decent Foci.

Now, I tear through everything - very little gets within 10 metres of me, and if it does, you have spells to deal with that.

It's no problem, stick with a class you're good at! ;)

[partycrasher]

Well have only played an Evoker to Lev 18 so far (too many alts) but my impression so far is that they are probably the least easy class to play well, but when they are played well they are potentially more powerful and versatile than any other class.

Even at level 18 Evokers seem to have a skill for any situation. Want to lay down some AOE damage at a distance? Toss out a few Lightning Fields. Got a gang of mobs charging straight at you? Stop them in their tracks with Demonspine. Want to take down a tough mob or boss fast? Incinerate them with Firestorm. Shields down? Recharge them instantly with Arcane Shield. Need to top up your health? Brom's Curse or Drain Life means you don't even need Health Injectors.

The downside to this versatility for me is that you are relying on multiple hotkeyed skills far more than other classes. When you play it right, you feel invincible, but fumble a bit (or run out of energy) and you're in trouble. The other thing is that, unlike other classes, your default attacks (with dual foci) are pretty weak - all your offensive power is in your spells (though your spells' power is dependent on your foci), which means that energy management is far more important to an Evoker (also Shock attacks can shut you down totally).

Up to level 10 though found things pretty easy just spamming Demonspine and Firestorm.

[wilebill]

I played an Evoker up to level 12 and gave up on it. I know it is an excellent class, but it just did not feel "good" to me. The Evoker felt "flakey."

Strange that I did not resonate with the Evoker. I have a 70 WoW Mage and I've played an Elementalist through all of Guild Wars. And I've played a Warlock a bit in WoW too. So I know about glass cannons and how to survive. But the Evoker just does not ring my chimes.

[Fleshvirus]

Evokers can tank as good as a guardian with poison armor combined with arcane shield.
Followed by swarms.

Next time you judge a class. Do it properly, because this thread S U C K S

[Question]

Assuming you go poison with arcane shield, yes , but that tree is meant to be the tank tree anyway.

BMs massively outdamage evokers. Just watching a BM solo the 5 lies with sword of justice spam while a evoker 5 levels higher with better equipment and a level 30 spell takes 5+ minutes to kill one is.....very.....de-moralising.

[Alex]

He maybe dosn't know how to play evoker, I played through normal with my evoker and a friend(guardian) with out problems, oh yes I could die sometimes, but you gotta take that hit...

[Spearthrower]

BMs massively outdamage evokers. Just watching a BM solo the 5 lies with sword of justice spam while a evoker 5 levels higher with better equipment and a level 30 spell takes 5+ minutes to kill one is.....very.....de-moralising.

Every class has their strengths and weaknesses - it would be rather pointless if they all performed the same against all monsters! ;)

[Question]

Well if BM can out damage and outtank a non-venon armor evoker...theres not much point being a glass canon when someone else does it better without so much glass eh?